Carlos Rodon

[spiderman]

What is Carlos Rodon's future with the White Sox?

 

How long is he under contract for - when does he become a free agent?

 

Scott Boras is his agent (to my recollection). If accurate, there is a very good chance that he want to test the free agent market and the Sox will be left holding the bag.

 

If the White Sox are 2 years away (maybe even 3) from realistically competing in the majors, even with all of the young talent they are compiling, is Rodon a potential trading chip they could use now (or in the off-season) to add another 2 top prospects? He hasn't been a dominating pitcher, but the upside is there, and a team would get him under contract, etc. for the next few years.

 

Will his name come up in rumors over the next few weeks or Winter or do you expect the White Sox to use Rodon as a potential top of the rotation starter for the next White Sox team that is competitive?

[Heads22]

I don't see us moving him unless it is overwhelming.

[Lip Man 1]

What is Carlos Rodon's future with the White Sox?

 

How long is he under contract for - when does he become a free agent?

 

Scott Boras is his agent (to my recollection). If accurate, there is a very good chance that he want to test the free agent market and the Sox will be left holding the bag.

 

If the White Sox are 2 years away (maybe even 3) from realistically competing in the majors, even with all of the young talent they are compiling, is Rodon a potential trading chip they could use now (or in the off-season) to add another 2 top prospects? He hasn't been a dominating pitcher, but the upside is there, and a team would get him under contract, etc. for the next few years.

 

Will his name come up in rumors over the next few weeks or Winter or do you expect the White Sox to use Rodon as a potential top of the rotation starter for the next White Sox team that is competitive?

 

I think the Sox still have him for another three years. Boras is still his agent. Given his history Boras is going to take Rodon to free agency and he'll probably be asking for more than the Sox can or will want to pay him (unless new ownership is in place by then...)

 

Sox probably won't be contending until 2020 so my guess is he gets traded with a year or a year and a half before he can go free agency.

 

[Dick Allen]

If he stays healthy and develops like he should, he probably gets you at least as much as Q. I think though if he shows dominance in the second half, he is gone in the winter, or a deadline guy next year.

 

His years don't match up with the rebuild very well. He'll be pitching too many meaningless games. Just about the time total domination hopefully starts. Boras gets him $200 million.

Edited July 13, 2017 by Dick Allen

[bighurt574]

I'd consider moving him, but he needs another year (at least) to build up his value. Maybe next year's deadline, if all goes well.

 

We control him for another 4 years after this one.

Edited July 13, 2017 by bighurt574

[Bob Sacamano]

I'd consider moving him, but he needs another year (at least) to build up his value. Maybe next year's deadline, if all goes well.

 

We control him for another 4 years after this one.

 

Agreed. Maybe even that off-season (2018-2019).

[spiderman]

If he stays healthy and develops like he should, he probably gets you at least as much as Q. I think though if he shows dominance in the second half, he is gone in the winter, or a deadline guy next year.

 

His years don't match up with the rebuild very well. He'll be pitching too many meaningless games. Just about the time total domination hopefully starts. Boras gets him $200 million.

 

This is how I view it also. I'd be surprised if his name came up in trade rumors this month, but, it would be an outside the box idea for a team like Milwaukee to jump in and take a shot on a young pitcher who hasn't been great, but has shown clear upside.

 

I just don't see him as being a member of the White Sox when they are trying to make a push so a strong 2nd half could set the White Sox up for trade talks this winter. I do agree that he can bring back a strong offer, but I don't think it would be as good as Quintana unless he is crazy good in the 2nd half. I'd like to think they can get at least 1 top 25 prospect and maybe a borderline top 100 if he can finish the season pitching well and healthy, but I think teams will also concerned for the looming free agency, even a few years out.

 

Still, I am surprised that Rodon's name isn't being talked about more as a future trading piece. This could be Hahn's last big hall beyond the draft picks.

[thxfrthmmrs]

The fact that we may end up trading Rodon just makes me sad. We had Sale, the best starter in AL, Quintana, the most underrated pitcher in the game, and Rodon, the most hyped college pitcher since Strasburg and we end up having to trade every one of them because we failed to be competitive. I remember when Rodon was drafted, we drooled over a 1-2-3 combination of Sale, Rodon and Quintana, and that it would give us one of the best rotations in the game. But we failed to finish above .500 even once.

[caulfield12]

The fact that we may end up trading Rodon just makes me sad. We had Sale, the best starter in AL, Quintana, the most underrated pitcher in the game, and Rodon, the most hyped college pitcher since Strasburg and we end up having to trade every one of them because we failed to be competitive. I remember when Rodon was drafted, we drooled over a 1-2-3 combination of Sale, Rodon and Quintana, and that it would give us one of the best rotations in the game. But we failed to finish above .500 even once.

 

2012

2010 Sale as reliever

Edited July 14, 2017 by caulfield12

[Eminor3rd]

If he stays healthy and develops like he should, he probably gets you at least as much as Q. I think though if he shows dominance in the second half, he is gone in the winter, or a deadline guy next year.

 

His years don't match up with the rebuild very well. He'll be pitching too many meaningless games. Just about the time total domination hopefully starts. Boras gets him $200 million.

 

Yeah, unfortunately he probably isn't part of the next contender because it's so unlikely he signs an extension. But the time to move him is after he becomes a consistently above average pitcher. We'll have him for at least another calendar year, maybe two.

 

[Quin]

Why is it such a forgone conclusion Rodon is gone considering the only long term deal we have right now is Tim Anderson?

[GreenSox]

Yeah, unfortunately he probably isn't part of the next contender because it's so unlikely he signs an extension. But the time to move him is after he becomes a consistently above average pitcher. We'll have him for at least another calendar year, maybe two.

And by the time the Sox are ready to trade him, they may be looking for a different type of prospect - the more polished ML ready in the Eaton, Quentin, Davidson mode.

I would mind seeing the Sox flip one of their guys like Yolmer for a similarly situated pitcher. they just can't throw out 4 James Shields out there, rebuilding or not. Hahn's going to have to start making some moves of that sort soon enough.

Edited July 14, 2017 by GreenSox

[greg775]

What is Carlos Rodon's future with the White Sox?

 

How long is he under contract for - when does he become a free agent?

 

Scott Boras is his agent (to my recollection). If accurate, there is a very good chance that he want to test the free agent market and the Sox will be left holding the bag.

 

If the White Sox are 2 years away (maybe even 3) from realistically competing in the majors, even with all of the young talent they are compiling, is Rodon a potential trading chip they could use now (or in the off-season) to add another 2 top prospects? He hasn't been a dominating pitcher, but the upside is there, and a team would get him under contract, etc. for the next few years.

 

Will his name come up in rumors over the next few weeks or Winter or do you expect the White Sox to use Rodon as a potential top of the rotation starter for the next White Sox team that is competitive?

This is the type of thinking that used to turn me into a raving madman, now makes me merely shake my head. Rodon is 24 and the third overall pick in the 2014 draft. Didn't the Sox know Boras was his agent when they drafted him? Why would you want to trade him? Seriously? He has what three more years? We are predicted to contend certainly by his last year. Is your goal as a fan to go even younger than Rodon? Or are you simply worried about $$$. Now I know Hahn and KW maybe are popular right now, but if Boras is such a concern why would we even draft Rodon? Just for the years he'd give us prior to free agency cause we thought we'd be contending every year?

I just don't understand if you are rebuilding, why would you get rid of a No. 3 overall first round draft pick who looks like he might be nasty in the future. I mean I've read a lot about the Sox payroll going to be very low. Could they not sign Rodon to one of those Salvy Perez type deals IF Rodon is projecting to be excellent? Again, please explain why you would want to deal a No. 3 overall draft pick who is only 24 when he ideally will still be very young when the team is expected to win the ALCS minimum, maybe the WS? Are you just trade happy or just petrified of Boras?

 

This is the first I've heard about dipping down and trading some of the guys already projected to be part of the rebuilt contending club. Makes little sense to me.

Edited July 14, 2017 by greg775

[beautox]

No one should be off limits during this rebuild but he should be able to lead the rotation in '19, when the sox push for .500 and a chance to be a dark horse like the brewers this year or the Astros/Cubs of two years ago as well as 20 & 21 when the sox should be completely rebuilt. Between the '18 FA class, the first two waves of talent hitting the sox and a top 3 pick(Brady Singer..maybe), they should have an elite staff.

 

Giolito

Rodon*

Kopech

Guerrero*

Lopez

 

 

[FT35]

This is the type of thinking that used to turn me into a raving madman, now makes me merely shake my head. Rodon is 24 and the third overall pick in the 2014 draft. Didn't the Sox know Boras was his agent when they drafted him? Why would you want to trade him? Seriously? He has what three more years? We are predicted to contend certainly by his last year. Is your goal as a fan to go even younger than Rodon? Or are you simply worried about $$$. Now I know Hahn and KW maybe are popular right now, but if Boras is such a concern why would we even draft Rodon? Just for the years he'd give us prior to free agency cause we thought we'd be contending every year?

I just don't understand if you are rebuilding, why would you get rid of a No. 3 overall first round draft pick who looks like he might be nasty in the future. I mean I've read a lot about the Sox payroll going to be very low. Could they not sign Rodon to one of those Salvy Perez type deals IF Rodon is projecting to be excellent? Again, please explain why you would want to deal a No. 3 overall draft pick who is only 24 when he ideally will still be very young when the team is expected to win the ALCS minimum, maybe the WS? Are you just trade happy or just petrified of Boras?

 

This is the first I've heard about dipping down and trading some of the guys already projected to be part of the rebuilt contending club. Makes little sense to me.

 

Good post--you hit on the essence of the debate for sure. I think Boras is the culprit. You draft him even though Boras is his agent because if he develops fast, you can add him to the mix of Sale and Q and ride that wave for several good years before you have to make a decision. If that doesn't work out, you have plenty of value to trade him if his extension falls before your competitive window arrives. I still think they will consider the mega-million deal that Boras is sure to propose if they consider Rodon a key member of their extended plans. 100M+? Maybe not with the (hopefully capable) pitching prospects they are accumulating. I don't think they need to solve that issue today and that's why you haven't heard his name much in trade talks. He still could very well be a cornerstone to what we're trying to do. Trading Q, Robertson, Melky and expiring contracts like Frazier are more critical at the moment.

 

IF we get to the point where, based on performance, we're realizing that we won't be able to justify Boras $ into Rodon, they will look to move him in the same way the Mets moved Jon Neise--a good young pitcher with upside in exchange for another solid MLB-level piece in Neil Walker that addressed a hole left by Daniel Murphy's departure. You transfer his talent from a surplus of SPs in a lateral move to an area of need--then you don't have to worry about extending him to a HIGH RISK mega-deal or losing him.

Edited July 14, 2017 by FT35

[Quin]

I agree with Greg, strange as that sounds.

 

Trading Rodon or letting him walk would be a failure.

 

If everyone hit their ceilings -

 

Rodon

Kopech

Hansen

Giolito

Guerrero

 

The rest serving as trade bait or high end relievers.

[pablo]

The Sox and Rodon will be in the exact position that the Cubs faced with Samardzija in his last season with the Cubs- a team with a very good pitcher whose contract was running out just before the team was about to contend.

 

I think taking the same approach as the Cubs did is the right way to go. Let Rodon develop into a TOR arm until 2019/2020 - make repeated attempts at making good fair contract offers and if nothing comes to fruition, then work on trading him at the 2019/2020 deadline. At that point, the Sox can start to target higher level prospects in trades that fit their rebuild strategy.