Rowand44 Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 09:25 PM) Have we decided he's bad now? I hadn't paid attention since the "anyone is better than Ventura" days Every manager we'll ever have we'll be considered bad here. That's not a shot at anyone, that's just sports message boards in a nut shell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 So you really think Dustin Fowler is a waste of a gamble? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 QUOTE (Sox-35th @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 10:25 PM) You would be wrong: Evidence: I'd say the Cubs never lost on purpose. Only Bryant was a draft pick in the post-tank era who was a big piece of their WS team. And that wasn't even a #1 overall pick. They just traded all their good veteran players and never said no to a player playing well on their MLB team. Like I said, the losing will happen if you are maximizing the value of your veterans. But there's no use futzing around trying to squeeze out extra losses by making bad managerial decisions, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrankinSox Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 QUOTE (Soha @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 09:25 PM) I was just thinking that. He seems like a 3rd or 4th piece. I think it's pretty unlikely Clarkin is the 2nd best piece in this deal. Trading 3 above average major leaguers. Two of which have control beyond this season. This package should contain Rutheford, (insert prospect), Clarkin, + Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 QUOTE (flavum @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 02:27 AM) So you really think Dustin Fowler is a waste of a gamble? Worth it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconOnAStick Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Damn, glad to see Inwas wrong and Rutherford is in the deal. I just hope Clarkin isn't the second biggest piece coming our way. Can't imagine Dave would react the way he did if he was. Also, how crazy is it that Basabe was our #1 OF prospect two months ago and now we have three guys in the top 50. Hell, Basabe probably would be ranked #6 now if I had to guess. Basabe is barely top 30. The crazy part is that Burger and Collins barely make it into the top 15 (!). Sox are loaded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Starting outfield in 2020: Rutherford in Left, Robert in CF and Jimenez in RF. Yes!!!!!! And you know me; a left handed bat!!!! Big bonus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjusttyped Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 QUOTE (Sox-35th @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 09:25 PM) You would be wrong: Evidence: If you want to be bad, be the worst. Fans will show up at the end of the rebuild or when studs start showing up. It seemed to work out quite well for the Astros, too. I'm sure the Nationals aren't regretting ending up with Harper & Strasburg, either. There is no guaranteed way to build a contender, but bottoming out/rebuilding is the most likely way to build a sustainable contender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 02:28 AM) I'd say the Cubs never lost on purpose. Only Bryant was a draft pick in the post-tank era who was a big piece of their WS team. And that wasn't even a #1 overall pick. They just traded all their good veteran players and never said no to a player playing well on their MLB team. Like I said, the losing will happen if you are maximizing the value of your veterans. But there's no use futzing around trying to squeeze out extra losses by making bad managerial decisions, etc. Theo has said he wanted them to lose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 We get Clippard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 09:28 PM) I'd say the Cubs never lost on purpose. Only Bryant was a draft pick in the post-tank era who was a big piece of their WS team. And that wasn't even a #1 overall pick. They just traded all their good veteran players and never said no to a player playing well on their MLB team. Like I said, the losing will happen if you are maximizing the value of your veterans. But there's no use futzing around trying to squeeze out extra losses by making bad managerial decisions, etc. Sherman reporting no money expected to change hands in the deal. Rutherford was included in q trade talks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Clippard coming back in the deal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sockin Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 (edited) Sox are taking Clippard. Edited July 19, 2017 by Sockin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 09:28 PM) I'd say the Cubs never lost on purpose. Only Bryant was a draft pick in the post-tank era who was a big piece of their WS team. And that wasn't even a #1 overall pick. They just traded all their good veteran players and never said no to a player playing well on their MLB team. Like I said, the losing will happen if you are maximizing the value of your veterans. But there's no use futzing around trying to squeeze out extra losses by making bad managerial decisions, etc. Uh, go look at those lineups in a season where they won 61 games. They tanked. It's part of the game. And don't give me that Bryant crap. The Astros blew their number 1 pick, but if the Cubs weren't horrible, they wouldn't have had a shot at Bryant. The tank is on. It's time to get with the program. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soha Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 08:28 PM) I'd say the Cubs never lost on purpose. Only Bryant was a draft pick in the post-tank era who was a big piece of their WS team. And that wasn't even a #1 overall pick. They just traded all their good veteran players and never said no to a player playing well on their MLB team. Like I said, the losing will happen if you are maximizing the value of your veterans. But there's no use futzing around trying to squeeze out extra losses by making bad managerial decisions, etc. Schwarber was the 4th pick in the draft, well in to their tank era. And he had a pretty darn good World Series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Obviously no issues taking on money but that better mean there's some more talent coming as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxnfins Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (maxjusttyped @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 09:08 PM) Bob NightengaleVerified account @BNightengale 26s26 seconds ago The #Yankees are sending outfielder Blake Rutherford, their first-round pick in 2016, to the #WhiteSox as part of the deal. QUOTE (Sockin @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 09:29 PM) Sox are taking Clippard. Gotta be the reason why we got Rutherford or the player Dave is talking about. Free agent at the end of the year anyways. Edited July 19, 2017 by Soxnfins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Lopez's Ghost Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 QUOTE (Alexeihyeess @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 09:28 PM) Basabe is barely top 30. The crazy part is that Burger and Collins barely make it into the top 15 (!). Sox are loaded. Plus all the pitchers...It's gonna be HARD to make the White Sox. As it should be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconOnAStick Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Clippard will help the tanking effort tremendously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Clippard coming back our way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjusttyped Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Encouraging to see the Sox taking a "bad" contract to improve the prospect haul. Props to JR for truly committing to a rebuild. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrankinSox Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Tyler Clippard in the deal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFutureIsNear Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 10:24 PM) I would bet under barring a huge shift in what he's doing at the plate. He is literally swinging for flyballs in an attempt to hit home runs, and hitting flyballs otherwise. His IFFB% is right around 17% over the past 3 seasons. His BABIP is s*** because it deserves to be s***. Exactly. I'm all for advanced statistics, but at some point the common sense eye test needs to come in play. You can't just compute #'s like there is no human factor going into it. Watch 1 Todd Frazier AB and watch him pull off/try to hook every single pitch he sees no matter the speed or location and it should be obvious why he has a low BABIP. And to the original guy...sorry I don't to fake internet bets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 10:29 PM) Theo has said he wanted them to lose Didn't do a great job of it seeing as their draft positions were #6, #2, #4, and #9 during the rebuild phase Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Deal may have fallen through Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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