kwill Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Normally pretty optimistic about deals but the White Sox are giving a good amount of value. I would want more than Rutherford even if he was a good prospect coming out of the draft. He currently has a .733 OPS in A Ball. I would expect the last player is who they are haggling over hopefully Andujar is the guy but I would settle for Wade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 09:48 PM) Florial...Florial...Florial... If it's one more I'd prefer Andujar and he makes more sense since he's part of their 40 man issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 QUOTE (soxfan49 @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 10:45 PM) Should have changed it to green to show sarcasm. He's using 2014 and 2015 picks as comparison, but they were trying to compete then. If he can use data that makes no sense, I will as well The point was the Cubs were picking from positions that aren't so different from hapless teams like the Sox that were trying to win. That is, the Cubs clearly were not all that dedicated to losing for losing's sake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thxfrthmmrs Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 The way I see it Frazier for Clarkin, D Rob I expected to get a top 50 prospect. Rutherford is a top 40. But Clippard weighs down the offer. Without Kahnle, we would have slightly won the trade. Let's see if the last name is interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconOnAStick Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Getting Florial would just make it a silly deal. Stupid good. I'm ecstatic with these three, well really just Rutherford, whoever the fourth guy is he's just icing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bananarchy Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 09:47 PM) I'm saying they may have squandered fan interest and player development in the service of trying to save the owner money. They were in a rather different position to both Cubs and Sox though because they never really had a big moment where they started trading good veterans to get prospects like Cubs and Sox were able to do to kickstart things. To be clear, my argument wasn't that you go for it every year, but that the reason rebuilding works has little to do with draft position. It's that you stockpile your system by trading veterans and prioritizing the development of your minor leaguers. You will lose and get good draft picks because of that, but there are real benefits to squeezing out a few more wins with the MLB club when it comes to giving the people who watch the games on TV and in the ballpark something worth seeing. From a development standpoint, I think it helps the players to win whenever they can—I also think some pitchers benefit psychologically from not seeing their leads pissed away by awful bullpens. I'm of the opinion that the benefits of winning a little bit more are usually better than picking 2th instead of 5th or whatever. That's a very long winded way of saying you don't understand tanking and the benefits of the highest possible draft pick. That's okay, you aren't alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 09:50 PM) If it's one more I'd prefer Andujar and he makes more sense since he's part of their 40 man issue. Either is legit i feel like. Wish we could not get the pitcher and get both Florial & Andujar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox1917 Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 10:50 PM) If it's one more I'd prefer Andujar and he makes more sense since he's part of their 40 man issue. Would prefer him as well, but if it's true the Yanks are only giving up guys in lower leagues, then he's out of the picture. Really hoping it's Florial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thxfrthmmrs Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 564 users on this thread. Is this a record? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 QUOTE (Sox-35th @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 10:50 PM) That's a very long winded way of saying you don't understand tanking and the benefits of the highest possible draft pick. That's okay, you aren't alone. No, I do understand. Look at the Cubs World Series roster and tell me about all the good players they got due to their (not even all that high) draft position. It won't take long because it's pretty much just 1 guy. Their rebuild was successful largely due to the trades, not their draft position. I hope the White Sox pursue it the same way because the draft position ain't worth that much when you know it's going to be a good one either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reiks12 Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 4th guy has to be good Kahnle has a stupid friendly contract, need another top prospect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 QUOTE (2005thxfrthmmrs @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 09:50 PM) The way I see it Frazier for Clarkin, D Rob I expected to get a top 50 prospect. Rutherford is a top 40. But Clippard weighs down the offer. Without Kahnle, we would have slightly won the trade. Let's see if the last name is interesting. Yea it's a bit disappointing so far. The last player will be interesting though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heirdog Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Clarkin sounds like a ground ball machine who can paint corners and hold down a mid rotation spot for years...from the left side. A good get in my opinion but would love a super high ceiling 4th guy like Florial Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bananarchy Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 09:50 PM) The point was the Cubs were picking from positions that aren't so different from hapless teams like the Sox that were trying to win. That is, the Cubs clearly were not all that dedicated to losing for losing's sake. Where do you get this crap from? Theo all but said the Cubs were going to try to lose and they did. A lot. Maybe read a little more before saying a team that won 61 games in one season was trying to win? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 09:52 PM) No, I do understand. Look at the Cubs World Series roster and tell me about all the good players they got due to their (not even all that high) draft position. It won't take long because it's pretty much just 1 guy. Their rebuild was successful largely due to the trades, not their draft position. I hope the White Sox pursue it the same way because the draft position ain't worth that much when you know it's going to be a good one either way. Bryant, Schwarber, Baez, Almora to name a few Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox1917 Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 Will this damn game end already!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 QUOTE (Sox-35th @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 07:53 PM) Where do you get this crap from? Theo all but said the Cubs were going to try to lose and they did. A lot. Maybe read a little more before saying a team that won 61 games in one season was trying to win? I may side with you on this issue, but Jake reads as much as anyone here. He's an awesome poster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenksycat Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 QUOTE (reiks12 @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 09:52 PM) 4th guy has to be good Kahnle has a stupid friendly contract, need another top prospect He also has a 3 month track record that could vanish next year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 QUOTE (2005thxfrthmmrs @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 09:52 PM) 564 users on this thread. Is this a record? Way beyond the record. Most users previously was 673 over Sale's trade. Last I checked, we were at 774. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwill Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 I see no reason why the White Sox couldn't just eat that Headley contract for next year to get better prospects. We have no money committed for next year. The Yankees are trying to get under the luxury tax for next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bananarchy Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 09:54 PM) I may side with you on this issue, but Jake reads as much as anyone here. He's an awesome poster. That makes his complete lack of understanding of basic team building strategy all the more disappointing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 QUOTE (kwill @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 09:55 PM) I see no reason why the White Sox couldn't just eat that Headley contract for next year to get better prospects. We have no money committed for next year. The Yankees are trying to get under the luxury tax for next year. Maybe Yankees didn't want to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 QUOTE (Lillian @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 09:54 PM) I don't understand why Clippard is such a negative. He isn't owed much money. What's the problem? No problem with him except the fact he's not another top talent. I think most want one more other top talent back, everyone is ok taking Clippard on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconOnAStick Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 They packaged assets with glaring red flags and took back an expiring contract, in return they got a 20 year old outfielder that has literally all the tools. This is quality over quantity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 19, 2017 Share Posted July 19, 2017 QUOTE (raBBit @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 07:55 PM) For those catching up, four players. Rutherford, Clarkin, Clippard and one more. Supposedly an A baller. It's not Mateo, Florial or Solak. f***. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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