caulfield12 Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 https://www.milb.com/milb/news/seattle-mari...968/t-185364810 Positional need for a catcher? Can't remember what was the basic argument last year. If we also had Benintendi/Happ, Lewis and Tatis Jr., oh well....that would have been the best farm system in the history of the game. It's a nice dream. And Happ's defense is holding down his (future) projections, not unlike Schwarber. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 What's the point of this thread? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 22, 2017 -> 08:34 AM) https://www.milb.com/milb/news/seattle-mari...968/t-185364810 Positional need for a catcher? Can't remember what was the basic argument last year. If we also had Benintendi/Happ, Lewis and Tatis Jr., oh well....that would have been the best farm system in the history of the game. It's a nice dream. And Happ's defense is holding down his (future) projections, not unlike Schwarber. They had Collins as the #1 talent in last year's draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 22, 2017 Author Share Posted July 22, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (Quin @ Jul 22, 2017 -> 07:40 AM) What's the point of this thread? It can't always be infinite rays of sunshine...everyone will get bored thinking we're infallible, which might lead to disappointment. Just seems strange that one guy can be top twenty and the other barely making the list when the latter player has actually been healthy for that entire time, and improving his defense at a premium position. Edited July 22, 2017 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 Yeah. One thing we'll have to watch, seems like Rutherford and Collins were our two top rated bats in 16, both running into struggles in year 2. Other bats cruising still. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 22, 2017 -> 10:10 AM) It can't always be infinite rays of sunshine...everyone will get bored thinking we're infallible, which might lead to disappointment. Just seems strange that one guy can be top twenty and the other barely making the list when the latter player has actually been healthy for that entire time, and improving his defense at a premium position. I mean, Lewis hasn't been lighting the world on fire. But now that he's healthy and in has six at bats in High A, we're going to suddenly want him in place of Collins? Tatis has been beat into the ground. Benintendi was gone. As for Happ, Fulmer was the best pitcher in college any many were elated to get him. There's just...no reason to be pining after some of those guys because they either weren't happening or it doesn't make sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 Collins has been good in July and hit his 14th HR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heirdog Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 Benintendi was gone by the time Sox drafted. All intel seems to indicate he would have been their pick. In hindsight, the misguided vision of a competitive team in 2015/16 led to Fulmer over Happ and the shields/Tatis Jr trade. I'm not worried about Collins at all. Even with hind sight and present performance, I'd rather have Collins in the system versus Lewis since we have Eloy, Robert, and Blake as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominikk85 Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 The sox already have a lot of OF and DH prospects. Lewis would have been nice but he already had a severe knee injury and also had some swing and miss issues in college. I can see why you would pick collins over him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautox Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 22, 2017 -> 08:34 AM) https://www.milb.com/milb/news/seattle-mari...968/t-185364810 Positional need for a catcher? Can't remember what was the basic argument last year. If we also had Benintendi/Happ, Lewis and Tatis Jr., oh well....that would have been the best farm system in the history of the game. It's a nice dream. And Happ's defense is holding down his (future) projections, not unlike Schwarber. The FO was likely debating if they could sign Rutherford with his love of the yankees and commit that he signed when he was 14 and passed, they viewed collins as the best college bat. Benintendi was their target but was off the board when they picked, nothing you can do about that and Fulmer was rushed through the minors in order to help a dying team. Some are already saying the sox have a historic farm system no one has ever had 10 ranked in the top 100 even if you throw collins and fulmer off Hansen and Dunning should get consideration. Tatis was a mistake hopefully they make less of those going forward, the good news is the latam was able to identify him. Also even the vaunted Astros aren't with out their missteps; Appel over Bryant, Aiken over Rodon and releasing JD Martinez in '14. So again whats the point of this thread? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 QUOTE (beautox @ Jul 22, 2017 -> 07:09 PM) The FO was likely debating if they could sign Rutherford with his love of the yankees and commit that he signed when he was 14 and passed, they viewed collins as the best college bat. Benintendi was their target but was off the board when they picked, nothing you can do about that and Fulmer was rushed through the minors in order to help a dying team. Some are already saying the sox have a historic farm system no one has ever had 10 ranked in the top 100 even if you throw collins and fulmer off Hansen and Dunning should get consideration. Tatis was a mistake hopefully they make less of those going forward, the good news is the latam was able to identify him. Also even the vaunted Astros aren't with out their missteps; Appel over Bryant, Aiken over Rodon and releasing JD Martinez in '14. So again whats the point of this thread? The Astros so thoroughly blew those picks and they were way more obvious decisions than Fulmer/Happ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautox Posted July 22, 2017 Share Posted July 22, 2017 QUOTE (Quin @ Jul 22, 2017 -> 06:30 PM) The Astros so thoroughly blew those picks and they were way more obvious decisions than Fulmer/Happ I agree, I felt like the Astros were trying to get way too cute. Rodon likely had prospect fatigue as well because of all the #roadtorodon talk etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 23, 2017 Author Share Posted July 23, 2017 QUOTE (beautox @ Jul 22, 2017 -> 05:09 PM) The FO was likely debating if they could sign Rutherford with his love of the yankees and commit that he signed when he was 14 and passed, they viewed collins as the best college bat. Benintendi was their target but was off the board when they picked, nothing you can do about that and Fulmer was rushed through the minors in order to help a dying team. Some are already saying the sox have a historic farm system no one has ever had 10 ranked in the top 100 even if you throw collins and fulmer off Hansen and Dunning should get consideration. Tatis was a mistake hopefully they make less of those going forward, the good news is the latam was able to identify him. Also even the vaunted Astros aren't with out their missteps; Appel over Bryant, Aiken over Rodon and releasing JD Martinez in '14. So again whats the point of this thread? Can the White Sox overcome that level of miscalculation? Appel, Aiken, JD Martinez, Robbie Grossman, Singleton, Chris Johnson/Matt Dominguez... They're still going to have to spend roughly half the Cubs' $440 million invested just in Lester, Heyward, Zobrist and Lackey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 22, 2017 -> 08:54 PM) Can the White Sox overcome that level of miscalculation? Appel, Aiken, JD Martinez, Robbie Grossman, Singleton, Chris Johnson/Matt Dominguez... They're still going to have to spend roughly half the Cubs' $440 million invested just in Lester, Heyward, Zobrist and Lackey. The Houston Astros have an opening day payroll this year of $125 million and it took them 6 years to pull together the collection of talent we pulled together in 8 months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautox Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 22, 2017 -> 10:42 PM) The Houston Astros have an opening day payroll this year of $125 million and it took them 6 years to pull together the collection of talent we pulled together in 8 months. I highly doubt we'll be able to extend Moncada/Robert/Rodon below market but the rest of the core I think Hahn will go to great lengths to lock up and control future salaries. '21-'23 is when this projected core is going to get very expensive through Arbitration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 23, 2017 Author Share Posted July 23, 2017 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 22, 2017 -> 09:42 PM) The Houston Astros have an opening day payroll this year of $125 million and it took them 6 years to pull together the collection of talent we pulled together in 8 months. But the bar/benchmark will be that both the Astros and Cubs made it to the playoffs 1-2 years ahead of schedule...which would be 2020-2024 for the White Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 QUOTE (beautox @ Jul 22, 2017 -> 11:49 PM) I highly doubt we'll be able to extend Moncada/Robert/Rodon below market but the rest of the core I think Hahn will go to great lengths to lock up and control future salaries. '21-'23 is when this projected core is going to get very expensive through Arbitration. If any GM can lock up a core for below market price, it's Genghis Hahn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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