maxjusttyped Posted July 26, 2017 Share Posted July 26, 2017 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 25, 2017 -> 10:31 PM) Two seasons of 2+ fWAR, doesn't that already make him a quality MLB starter? Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted July 26, 2017 Share Posted July 26, 2017 He's already a quality starter. The question is whether he can become an ace. He's obviously not 100% back from the injury, and as someone else pointed out, this is sort of like spring training for him. He's got nasty stuff, as evidenced by the 11 Ks in four innings yesterday. His biggest issue seems to be walks. Once he gets more control of his pitches and learns a few more things, he'll be a very good pitcher. I expect him to slowly improve this year. Hopefully he'll be healthy throughout the season all the way into spring training. I think we'll see what kind of pitcher he truly can be next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 26, 2017 Share Posted July 26, 2017 I'm gonna go with yes as a mid-rotation guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted July 26, 2017 Share Posted July 26, 2017 (edited) In 2015 and 2016 his numbers were that of a pretty good #3 starter (averaged 3.1 WAR/200 innings), if he never becomes more than that then that might be a disappointment considering his upside but that's still a quality MLB starter. So he's already there, the question is if he can be a top of the rotation guy. Edited July 26, 2017 by OmarComing25 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 26, 2017 Share Posted July 26, 2017 Just for snorts and giggles... Carlos Rodon has thrown 55 minor league innings in his life, including the 17 IP this year on his rehab assignment. TOTAL he has thrown 383 2/3 IP as a professional. Compare that to Lucas Giolito who has thrown 494 1/3 IP as a professional. Reastically, Rodon was pretty well rushed and is still doing a lot of learning on the job. Carson Fulmer is rowing in the same boat with Rodon. I mean if you think about it, Rodon was drafted in 2014. It incredibly realistic to outline a scenario where Rodon is the guy replacing Jose Quintana in the starting rotation making his major league debut after spending half a season in rookie ball (2014), about a year in two levels of A ball (15), a year at AA ball (16), and half of this season at AAA (17). It is WAY too early to give up on Carlos Rodon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 Bump... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Aug 4, 2017 -> 07:15 PM) Bump... 2 straight strong starts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bananarchy Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 Yes, he can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 Over his last 18 2/3 IP, Carlos Rodon has 31 K's. 14.94 K/9 is good, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 4, 2017 -> 10:46 PM) Over his last 18 2/3 IP, Carlos Rodon has 31 K's. 14.94 K/9 is good, right? It's okay. Works out to 332 Ks per 200 IP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 4, 2017 -> 10:46 PM) Over his last 18 2/3 IP, Carlos Rodon has 31 K's. 14.94 K/9 is good, right? The guy picked right after him in the draft averages 14.94 K over every 9 AB too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Aug 4, 2017 -> 10:57 PM) The guy picked right after him in the draft averages 14.94 K over every 9 AB too. *applause* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 I got no problem with Rodon. This is actually a reason I didn't want to rebuild. With Sale, Q and Rodon and a capable pickup (not Shields or Holland) to go with a fifth starter from our system or somewhere, that woulda been a helluva rotation. We already had "on paper" a good to great bullpen with David as closer and the other guys. Too late to cry about that stuff, but yes, Rodon is good. If he stays healthy and keeps the velocity he should be an all star pitcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockren Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Aug 4, 2017 -> 09:15 PM) Bump... Can we change the thread title to "...become an ace?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 4, 2017 -> 10:46 PM) Over his last 18 2/3 IP, Carlos Rodon has 31 K's. 14.94 K/9 is good, right? 2 of those teams have the best offenses in the AL too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightsOnMintSt Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 I really like Rodon. His stuff is just nasty. No doubt to me that if he stays healthy, that he'll be the ace of the staff for years to come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 QUOTE (KnightsOnMintSt @ Aug 5, 2017 -> 10:09 AM) I really like Rodon. His stuff is just nasty. No doubt to me that if he stays healthy, that he'll be the ace of the staff for years to come. It is all technical with him. He has to stay in his motion and finish his pitches. If he flies open too early his stuff floats and has no control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 He has fanned at least 10 seven times in his career, and 5 of his last 9 starts. His ascent to ace is happening. What will be interesting is what their plans are for him. 4 years of control after this year. Next year is a throw away, a lot will have to go right for 2019 to be close to the same. Do they trade him for prospects? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Mite Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 Has to avoid injuries, easier said than done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sir Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 5, 2017 -> 04:46 PM) He has fanned at least 10 seven times in his career, and 5 of his last 9 starts. His ascent to ace is happening. What will be interesting is what their plans are for him. 4 years of control after this year. Next year is a throw away, a lot will have to go right for 2019 to be close to the same. Do they trade him for prospects? I'm really not a big contracts guy, but how does he have four years left? Debuting in 2015, shouldn't his six years be up after 2020? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 QUOTE (StrykerSox @ Aug 5, 2017 -> 06:01 PM) I'm really not a big contracts guy, but how does he have four years left? Debuting in 2015, shouldn't his six years be up after 2020? He didn't get credit for a full service year in 2015, so it won't be until his 7th season he reaches the magical 6 year requirement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grindersrule Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 Baseball reference says free agent in 2022. Starting pitching is THE KEY asset if you want to win it all. We should have a chance in 20-22. Keep him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 5, 2017 -> 05:46 PM) He has fanned at least 10 seven times in his career, and 5 of his last 9 starts. His ascent to ace is happening. What will be interesting is what their plans are for him. 4 years of control after this year. Next year is a throw away, a lot will have to go right for 2019 to be close to the same. Do they trade him for prospects? If the ascent to ace is happening, that would greatly speed up the rebuilding efforts. The pitching staff could very well be ready for the most part by 2019. Either way, this would be a great problem for us to have. In a perfect world Hahn finds a way to extend Rodon this offseason, although that's obviously a huge long-shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 5, 2017 -> 05:46 PM) Do they trade him for prospects? No. At least not any time soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 5, 2017 -> 03:46 PM) He has fanned at least 10 seven times in his career, and 5 of his last 9 starts. His ascent to ace is happening. What will be interesting is what their plans are for him. 4 years of control after this year. Next year is a throw away, a lot will have to go right for 2019 to be close to the same. Do they trade him for prospects? This is just same old, same old for Rodon. He pitched lights out in the 2nd half for each of the last 2 season. Now if he could put 2 good halves together we have an ace. This isn't a knock against him. It is often how young pitching develops. Usually takes a few years . Just a cautionary tale to not expect the studs in the minors to come up and be instant stars. Injuries and inconsistency always rear their ugly heads. Edited August 6, 2017 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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