iWiN4PreP Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 MLB.com's Mark Feinsand reports that Derek Holland is drawing some interest. Holland has had an up-and-down season, posting a 5.12 ERA and 82/42 K/BB ratio over 102 innings for the White Sox. However, apparently that hasn't stopped teams from asking Chicago about the left-hander. Feinsand adds that Melky Cabrera has not been drawing much interest but could be dealt in August. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 QUOTE (iWin4Ron @ Jul 28, 2017 -> 02:20 PM) MLB.com's Mark Feinsand reports that Derek Holland is drawing some interest. Holland has had an up-and-down season, posting a 5.12 ERA and 82/42 K/BB ratio over 102 innings for the White Sox. However, apparently that hasn't stopped teams from asking Chicago about the left-hander. Feinsand adds that Melky Cabrera has not been drawing much interest but could be dealt in August. Yes, it's more in the lines of, if you pay his entire salary, and we give you back basically nothing we may have some interest in acquiring him. At this point, someone has to pitch. Unless you are getting someone with a plus tool, and not your typical 25 year old in high A stinking up the joint, you might as well let him get killed for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 28, 2017 -> 02:31 PM) Yes, it's more in the lines of, if you pay his entire salary, and we give you back basically nothing we may have some interest in acquiring him. At this point, someone has to pitch. Unless you are getting someone with a plus tool, and not your typical 25 year old in high A stinking up the joint, you might as well let him get killed for you. Did I miss someone expecting a big return for Holland? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 Better be getting a Certified G or Bonafide Stud back for Holland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 28, 2017 -> 02:31 PM) Yes, it's more in the lines of, if you pay his entire salary, and we give you back basically nothing we may have some interest in acquiring him. At this point, someone has to pitch. Unless you are getting someone with a plus tool, and not your typical 25 year old in high A stinking up the joint, you might as well let him get killed for you. Yep. I could see Holland moving at the end of August. He's not moving before then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 28, 2017 -> 02:33 PM) Did I miss someone expecting a big return for Holland? I'm confused as to why any team would be interested in Holland? He's a veteran with a 6.02 FIP this season and a negative WAR. Most teams have somebody in AAA they could call up and put up at least a 6.00 FIP down the stretch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 28, 2017 -> 02:33 PM) Did I miss someone expecting a big return for Holland? No. The post was teams are showing interest. I'm pretty sure he'd clear waivers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jul 28, 2017 -> 02:34 PM) I'm confused as to why any team would be interested in Holland? He's a veteran with a 6.02 FIP this season and a negative WAR. Most teams have somebody in AAA they could call up and put up at least a 6.00 FIP down the stretch? Honestly the fact that anyone wants him is the headline here. He is going to generate a garbage return at best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 28, 2017 -> 02:35 PM) Honestly the fact that anyone wants him is the headline here. He is going to generate a garbage return at best. What could a two month rental for Holland possibly be worth? Gonzalez might have some value, but I can't believe anyone would trade for Holland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 28, 2017 -> 02:35 PM) Honestly the fact that anyone wants him is the headline here. He is going to generate a garbage return at best. Of course, but find a guy who can't play but is fast, or is a good defender. Or some guy who whiffs all the time but has some power. Or a 24 year old in A ball who has a 9.00 ERA and walks a guy an inning, but can throw 97. A Courtney Hawkins, Jared Mitchell equivalent, and pay the freight. At least there is a million to one hope. And if teams don't want to give you that, then keep him in the rotation. Edited July 28, 2017 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iWiN4PreP Posted July 28, 2017 Author Share Posted July 28, 2017 Original thread: https://twitter.com/Feinsand/status/891007861924519939 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 28, 2017 -> 03:35 PM) Honestly the fact that anyone wants him is the headline here. He is going to generate a garbage return at best. SoxTalk: Brinson or bust Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 28, 2017 -> 02:40 PM) Of course, but find a guy who can't play but is fast, or is a good defender. Or some guy who whiffs all the time but has some power. Or a 24 year old in A ball who has a 9.00 ERA and walks a guy an inning, but can throw 97. A Courtney Hawkins, Jared Mitchell equivalent, and pay the freight. At least there is a million to one hope. And if teams don't want to give you that, then keep him in the rotation. You find the best offer you can get and ship him out. Even a C level guy is better than nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 28, 2017 -> 02:48 PM) You find the best offer you can get and ship him out. Even a C level guy is better than nothing. Holland does have some value to the Sox. He goes almost 4 innings every 5 days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 28, 2017 -> 02:51 PM) Holland does have some value to the Sox. He goes almost 4 innings every 5 days. I guess you can't spell Holland without the lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 I enjoy Holland's personality...that has some value, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jul 28, 2017 -> 02:53 PM) I enjoy Holland's personality...that has some value, right? Yeah, he keeps the team loose. His last 41 2/3 innings, he has given up 42 earned runs and 16 homers. That's like James Shields last season. It's hard to believe any contender would add him to the roster. If he were traded, it would seem to be to be the equal to KW eventually got his man. Someone who was high on him years ago, and now is just high. Edited July 28, 2017 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 28, 2017 -> 02:57 PM) Yeah, he keeps the team loose. His last 41 2/3 innings, he has given up 42 earned runs and 16 homers. That's like James Shields last season. It's hard to believe any contender would add him to the roster. If he were traded, it would seem to be to be the equal to KW eventually got his man. Someone who was high on him years ago, and now is just high. Ya but he comes out to wrestling music and does does skits and stuff. Valuable to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jul 28, 2017 -> 03:02 PM) Ya but he comes out to wrestling music and does does skits and stuff. Valuable to me. He does have a Batman mask. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 QUOTE (Quin @ Jul 28, 2017 -> 02:44 PM) SoxTalk: Brinson or bust Child's play. The Yanks need a starter so we're going to start with Torres and settle for Frazier, if we must. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klaus kinski Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jul 28, 2017 -> 02:33 PM) Better be getting a Certified G or Bonafide Stud back for Holland. Realist trade in the room Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 28, 2017 -> 07:52 PM) I guess you can't spell Holland without the lol. Good line. He wouldn't be a good Independent League pitcher right now. He's rich, though, so he deserves credit for being set for life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 One year contract on Holland. I am not sure there is an option year, but if he isn't traded i don't see him being brought back unless a miracle turnaround happens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconOnAStick Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 If you've got your division wrapped up for the most part and just need a guy to eat innings so your top arms are fresh for the playoffs then Holland is OK. I think we'll be surprised with what they get in return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Lopez's Ghost Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 They're probably asking "is he really that bad?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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