Rowand44 Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Aug 5, 2017 -> 11:55 AM) I don't think Engel ever figures it out offensively and I would definitely play Luery over him in CF next year. And I honestly think Willy, Delmonico, & Cordell all deserve playing time over him in LF as well. Best case scenario IMO is Engel hits enough to be a solid 4th OF. I agree. That said, the point that his defense could help out our young pitchers is definitely a fair one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 Of the players we've seen this year: Davidson, Delmonico, L Garcia for sure. (And obviously Moncada, Avi, Anderson and Abreu). Maybe: really, the rest of them, but Sanchez, Saladino, Narvaez, W. Garcia. The Sox just don't have that many to call up. Pitching: Rodon, Jones, Putnam. That's about it. They'll likely bring back a few of the other guys by default, but I don't see much promise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 2018 regulars 1B - Abreu 2B - Moncada SS - Anderson 3B - Davidson - Unless someone comes along and pushes him to DH. C - Smith/Narvaez - neither look like starters to me. They split time until something better comes along. LF - Delmonico - I think the bat plays. LF might be an adventure for a while. Future DH candidate. CF - Engel - His defense has earned him time to see if the bat ever comes around. Might only ever be a 4th OF but deserves the shot to prove otherwise. RF - Avi. I personally think Allstar Avi is a mirage, but unless the FO is blown away by an offer in the offseason he starts in RF. DH - rotation between Davidson, Delmonico, Abreu, and Avi. UT - Saladino - Love his glove and versatility. Bat is probably no better than what we have seen. Rotation Rodon R Lopez ? ? ? Pen ????? Fringe Yolmer Sanchez - FO probably tries to find a new home for him in the offseason. Great glove at 2B, but lacks the versatility to be a good Util. Leury Garcia - Never been a fan of his. Glove is barely passable in the OF, and never liked him at SS. Speed is pretty useless if you can't get on base. 4th OF? Alen Hanson - MEH. Willy Garcia - I like what little I have seen. Probably doesn't play much if he is back before the end of the year. I like his glove more than Avi's but I don't know where he gets time. LF/RF/DH? Stack the losses... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 Uh, leury has been one of the Sox' best players. He is a sell high guy or surefire starting cf next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 (edited) C: Narvaez/Smith (would also be ok with veteran backup signing) 1B: Abreu/Gillaspie/Delmonico 2B: Moncada 3B: Davidson SS: Anderson LF: Delmonico CF: Cordell RF: A. Garica (if not traded, then probably a combo of other borderline guys Cordell/Delmonico/W. Garcia/Engel) DH: Gillaspie/Delmonico/Abreu Bench: C: whoever is sitting out of Narvaez/Smith/possible vet signing IF: Sanchez OF: Engel UTIL: L. Garcia Edited August 7, 2017 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Aug 6, 2017 -> 12:12 PM) Uh, leury has been one of the Sox' best players. He is a sell high guy or surefire starting cf next year. Leury will probably be in LF. Engel in CF. Delmonico at DH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 Send Engel back to AAA, and give him at least half a season to work on his hitting. He was in A ball in 2016, so he moved up pretty quickly. Delmonico's bat is ready - give him time in the field to see if he can be a legit LF. Avi plays RF; hope he has another good year and then move him in July. IF won't be changed much from where it is. But then there is the pitching...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (GreenSox @ Aug 7, 2017 -> 10:53 AM) Send Engel back to AAA, and give him at least half a season to work on his hitting. He was in A ball in 2016, so he moved up pretty quickly. Delmonico's bat is ready - give him time in the field to see if he can be a legit LF. Avi plays RF; hope he has another good year and then move him in July. IF won't be changed much from where it is. But then there is the pitching...... Pitching, you got: 1. Rodon 2. Shields 3. Lopez 4. Danish 5. Veteran signing Release one of Shields, cheap veteran signing or both when Giolito and/or Fulmer is ready. Or they can replace Danish. Edited August 7, 2017 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Aug 7, 2017 -> 09:59 AM) Pitching, you got: 1. Rodon 2. Shields 3. Lopez 4. Danish 5. Veteran signing Release one of Shields, cheap veteran signing or both when Giolito and/or Fulmer is ready. Or they can replace Danish. Seems they will push Fulmer, Adams and Guerrero since they're the most "expendable" now after the top guys...even Clarkin. Covey perhaps gets another shot. What is the incentive to release Shields unless he's holding someone back? Who exactly is being blocked now? Giolito? Edited August 7, 2017 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Aug 7, 2017 -> 10:59 AM) Pitching, you got: 1. Rodon 2. Shields 3. Lopez 4. Danish 5. Veteran signing Release one of Shields, cheap veteran signing or both when Giolito and/or Fulmer is ready. Or they can replace Danish. I'd give either the 4 or 5 spot to Guerrero or Stephens. Both should get plenty of starts for the White Sox next season. I don't see Danish as a starter at all, so I don't even see the point in trying to force that, but I suppose I'd be fine with him in the rotation to start the year and give Guerrero, Stephens, Fulmer and Giolito more time in AAA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Aug 7, 2017 -> 11:59 AM) Pitching, you got: 1. Rodon 2. Shields 3. Lopez 4. Danish 5. Veteran signing Release one of Shields, cheap veteran signing or both when Giolito and/or Fulmer is ready. Or they can replace Danish. I don't think Danish or Fulmer are starters anymore...future rotation guys are Kopech, Giolito, Lopez, Hansen, Dunning, maybe Clarkin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 I wouldn't be shocked if Kopech got a hard look during Spring for an MLB rotation spot. I also wouldn't be shocked if Fulmer is turned into a reliever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac9001 Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 As long as Giolito isn't getting completely lit up in spring training you figure they'll give him a rotation spot. Rodon Shields Lopez Giolito Scrub Vet It's going to be interesting trying to figure out the whole org depth chart for starting pitchers. It's kinda of insane but it's entirely possible we'll be starting a legit prospect with no org fillers top to bottom through the entire organization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 QUOTE (knightni @ Aug 7, 2017 -> 11:13 AM) I wouldn't be shocked if Kopech got a hard look during Spring for an MLB rotation spot. I would be absolutely floored. I don't think Kopech pitches in the bigs until 2019. I could see him getting a few starts next September, I suppose. Or if the Sox are somehow in the WC race some mid July (highly highly highly unlikey) and Kopech is making mincemeat of AAA, maybe the Sox bring him up. I'd put the odds of him breaking camp with the big league club next year at less than 1/100. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 Next year the big win with Kopech is him being healthy and getting to at least 160 innings. Pushing him to big leagues would make me lose considerable confidence in our player development. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Aug 7, 2017 -> 11:18 AM) I would be absolutely floored. I don't think Kopech pitches in the bigs until 2019. I could see him getting a few starts next September, I suppose. Or if the Sox are somehow in the WC race some mid July (highly highly highly unlikey) and Kopech is making mincemeat of AAA, maybe the Sox bring him up. I'd put the odds of him breaking camp with the big league club next year at less than 1/100. Even if his recent progress in walking guys is a long term trend, his season IP totals are still going to be really low. I think Kopech comes to camp, but goes to Charlotte and then we will see what he is really made of pitching that ballpark. With the team we are going to put on the field in 2018, there isn't any reason to start his clock early anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 I don't think he breaks camp with the big league team either but I'd be pretty surprised if he doesn't see some major league time in 2018 even if it's in August or September. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 QUOTE (bmags @ Aug 7, 2017 -> 10:20 AM) Next year the big win with Kopech is him being healthy and getting to at least 160 innings. Pushing him to big leagues would make me lose considerable confidence in our player development. Kopech will likely be allowed to play out 3-4 more starts in August and then be shut down until spring training. He should be in mlb camp, but needs to spend a considerable amount of time in AAA Charlotte continuing to work on command and building up innings. I'd like to see him spend a good amount of 2018 in AAA, but if a player forces the issue then it must be considered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 Consider when Kopech needs to be added to the 40-man as well. They call him up next year, he gets put on the 40-man and will be carried on the 40-man all off-season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenksycat Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 I don't know how well Kopech will end up taking Lopez + Giolito getting the call before him. He doesn't strike me as the type to be chill about that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 QUOTE (bmags @ Aug 7, 2017 -> 11:20 AM) Next year the big win with Kopech is him being healthy and getting to at least 160 innings. Pushing him to big leagues would make me lose considerable confidence in our player development. I don't understand this mind set. If he goes a few months next year with the continued improved walk rate what's the point of keeping him in the minor leagues? Best thing for his development will be to face the best competition and be with the best pitching coach in our organization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Aug 7, 2017 -> 12:11 PM) I don't know how well Kopech will end up taking Lopez + Giolito getting the call before him. He doesn't strike me as the type to be chill about that They're farther along in their development than he is. You're talking about a guy who has never thrown more than 65 innings in a season until this year. Edited August 7, 2017 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenksycat Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Aug 7, 2017 -> 12:12 PM) They're farther along in their development than he is. You're talking about a guy who has never thrown more than 65 innings in a season until this year. I'm not saying it doesn't make sense, I'm saying I don't think he would view it the same way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Aug 7, 2017 -> 12:11 PM) I don't know how well Kopech will end up taking Lopez + Giolito getting the call before him. He doesn't strike me as the type to be chill about that They started at a higher level than him, I'm sure he knew this was going to be the case. Even if he's not chill about it, he seems to be the type of dude that would just work harder because of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Aug 7, 2017 -> 12:12 PM) I don't understand this mind set. If he goes a few months next year with the continued improved walk rate what's the point of keeping him in the minor leagues? Best thing for his development will be to face the best competition and be with the best pitching coach in our organization. Why rush him? This is going to be a replacement level team next year. We shouldn't be in any hurry to burn service time until we need to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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