Kid Gleason Posted September 29, 2003 Share Posted September 29, 2003 Hey all, new here! I was just wondering, do you think that there is any chance of them looking into Hargrove? I am not too crazy about the guy, but he and the Tribe beat the crud out of us for a few years there. Not sure if he would be any good either, but since he is now jobless, could he be in the running? I myself hope Torre comes looking for a job, but I would also bet that before he signs with anybody we would see Steinbrenner go back to the Billy Martin "you're fired, hey come manage us" revolving door mentality. Plus, i am sure Torre will come with a price tag that Williams would never want to pay. But atleast he could stick with pinstripes. :fthecubs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RibbieRubarb Posted September 29, 2003 Share Posted September 29, 2003 I'm not sure how much we want to look like the 90s Indians anymore than we already do... Welcome to the board! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Gleason Posted September 30, 2003 Author Share Posted September 30, 2003 Oh man!!! I love that avatar!!! LOL!!! Yeah, but the 90's Indians looked pretty good for a bit there. Though, maybe it was because the rest of us stunk... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hotsoxchick1 Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 Oh man!!! I love that avatar!!! LOL!!! Yeah, but the 90's Indians looked pretty good for a bit there. Though, maybe it was because the rest of us stunk... welcome aboard kid gleason.... im thinking that i saw your name before somewhere.... well besides being a manager for the sox at one point in their history that is.......hmmmmmm...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Gleason Posted September 30, 2003 Author Share Posted September 30, 2003 I use the same name on the "official" board. But I got tired of all the trolls, and somebody from here mentioned this board (in a cloak and dagger way) and said person sent me the link, and now I am here. Thanks for the welcome! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hotsoxchick1 Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 I use the same name on the "official" board. But I got tired of all the trolls, and somebody from here mentioned this board (in a cloak and dagger way) and said person sent me the link, and now I am here. Thanks for the welcome! oh on the official boards huh... the mlb ones??? i know someone else who used that name on there before.. but i know you are not that person.......anyhow enjoy your stay here.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmr31 Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 Not a big Hargrove fan...although I am not really familiar with him. I will say this...Cleveland was a top notch organization during that time period and I pretty much respect everyone involved with that organization during that time period so I'd say its worth a look. I also think Baltimore did pretty good considering what they had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 Hargrove is a good Manager IMO. But it's not what this team needs, He's laid back like Manuel was.. Welcome Kid Gleason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighHeat45 Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 hey gleason you should put this pic as either your sig or your avatar its the real kid gleason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Gleason Posted September 30, 2003 Author Share Posted September 30, 2003 What a beautiful mug! Thanks, I'll save it and add it tomorrow! But the Godzilla stays as the avatar, it's on all my boards. But yeah, Kid can hang in the sig. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molto Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 the problem with Manuel wasn't that he was laidback, the problem with him is that he was never in a state of urgency. he always went with the notion that there was still time left and the team would come together at some point. a screamer won't do a thing for this team, they just need a good solid manager, laidback or whatever, someone who can make the right decisions, get respect and hustle from the players and drill into each players heads the importance of a team effort - getting things done from the get go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 the problem with Manuel wasn't that he was laidback, the problem with him is that he was never in a state of urgency. he always went with the notion that there was still time left and the team would come together at some point. a screamer won't do a thing for this team, they just need a good solid manager, laidback or whatever, someone who can make the right decisions, get respect and hustle from the players and drill into each players heads the importance of a team effort - getting things done from the get go. I agree with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 Hargrove was overrated. Even with all of the talent that the Indians had he only made one real good run. Plus when I saw him he seemed to make some bad strategy decesions... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yossarian Posted September 30, 2003 Share Posted September 30, 2003 the problem with Manuel wasn't that he was laidback, the problem with him is that he was never in a state of urgency. he always went with the notion that there was still time left and the team would come together at some point. a screamer won't do a thing for this team, they just need a good solid manager, laidback or whatever, someone who can make the right decisions, get respect and hustle from the players and drill into each players heads the importance of a team effort - getting things done from the get go. That's a very sharp observation. You don't have to be a screamer to have a sense of urgency and to make sure the players have it too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted October 1, 2003 Share Posted October 1, 2003 the problem with Manuel wasn't that he was laidback, the problem with him is that he was never in a state of urgency. he always went with the notion that there was still time left and the team would come together at some point. a screamer won't do a thing for this team, they just need a good solid manager, laidback or whatever, someone who can make the right decisions, get respect and hustle from the players and drill into each players heads the importance of a team effort - getting things done from the get go. You sound like you are describing Joe Torre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RibbieRubarb Posted October 1, 2003 Share Posted October 1, 2003 The major issue with Manuel wasn't his laid-back style. It was the motivation and focus the team took towards last place teams and rookie pitchers. Torre is laid back, but well-prepared and a good motivator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted October 1, 2003 Share Posted October 1, 2003 the problem with Manuel wasn't that he was laidback, the problem with him is that he was never in a state of urgency. he always went with the notion that there was still time left and the team would come together at some point. a screamer won't do a thing for this team, they just need a good solid manager, laidback or whatever, someone who can make the right decisions, get respect and hustle from the players and drill into each players heads the importance of a team effort - getting things done from the get go. I agree with you. I agree with your agreement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hotsoxchick1 Posted October 1, 2003 Share Posted October 1, 2003 It was the motivation and focus the team took towards last place teams and rookie pitchers. and that should bring on the question ... where the hell was the scouting reports on these rookie pitchers???? kinda hard to blame jm for lack of focus and motivation against them if you dont know what your up against in the first place......dont ya think??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted October 1, 2003 Share Posted October 1, 2003 and that should bring on the question ... where the hell was the scouting reports on these rookie pitchers???? kinda hard to blame jm for lack of focus and motivation against them if you dont know what your up against in the first place......dont ya think??? I understand the not seeing a guy but a good hitter should be able to adjust and although not go 4-4 with 3 homers, they should be able to get an idea. These new guys are not inventing new pitches. i thin it is the approach of the hitters adn their mentality. This needs to be dealt with before any good is to come from this team. Pop outs are way to common for it to never be addressed. I didn't see any in the game last evening. You know we would have had at least three in the 8th and 9th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 1, 2003 Share Posted October 1, 2003 the problem with Manuel wasn't that he was laidback, the problem with him is that he was never in a state of urgency. he always went with the notion that there was still time left and the team would come together at some point. a screamer won't do a thing for this team, they just need a good solid manager, laidback or whatever, someone who can make the right decisions, get respect and hustle from the players and drill into each players heads the importance of a team effort - getting things done from the get go. I agree with you. I agree with your agreement I absolutely disagree. What were we talking about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hotsoxchick1 Posted October 1, 2003 Share Posted October 1, 2003 Pop outs are way to common for it to never be addressed. and you can lay that blame at the feet of the batters who feel the need to be swinging for the fences all the time.....if we had played the whole season like we played the last couple of games in kc we would have ruled the division....yeah i can put blame on jm for alot of that too by not keeping better control over these guys on that matter..... but when it comes to facing pitchers we didnt ever face before the scouting dept. should have been on top of things and said here ya go guys this is what these pitchers do.... its kinda hard to adjust to someone new when you only see him a few times during the game from the batters box, without previous knowledge on their ways.........mho... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted October 1, 2003 Share Posted October 1, 2003 my comment is addresed to the thread title: friends don't let friends hire Hargrove. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted October 1, 2003 Share Posted October 1, 2003 and you can lay that blame at the feet of the batters who feel the need to be swinging for the fences all the time.....if we had played the whole season like we played the last couple of games in kc we would have ruled the division....yeah i can put blame on jm for alot of that too by not keeping better control over these guys on that matter..... but when it comes to facing pitchers we didnt ever face before the scouting dept. should have been on top of things and said here ya go guys this is what these pitchers do.... its kinda hard to adjust to someone new when you only see him a few times during the game from the batters box, without previous knowledge on their ways.........mho... I agree that our advance scouting could be blamed if the nature of team was to adjust to the pitcher but we use the same philosophy every at-bat. I really think this team does not discuss tendencies and strategy, they appear to just go at it and see what happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hotsoxchick1 Posted October 1, 2003 Share Posted October 1, 2003 but we use the same philosophy every at-bat thats another thing ive said before too.... we need a new philosophy for this team before we can expect to win anything huge......maybe we get that with a new manager and maybe we dont... depends on what the top brass lets the new guy on the block take control over....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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