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QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 4, 2017 -> 10:29 AM)
I still think in my ideal scenario, we would have done what the Niners did. On paper, what an oustanding off-season, from getting a head coach I like, to buying a bunch of picks to getting your QB for a 2nd rounder (Jimmy G). No one could have predicted that would happen but job well done by Lynch (on paper). I still have zero problem with what Pace did (in regards to Trubisky) but I still think the smarter move would have been overpaying for Alshon to ensure you have at least one real pass catcher (and it wasn't like we were tight on cap space). Then again, I legit don't think the Bears expected Trubisky to play this year.

 

 

Couple things from here: Alshon Jeffery wasn't staying in Chicago. He didn't want to live or play here anymore. Garoppolo was not available around the draft. Had he been, I think the Bears would have considered trading their 2nd rounder for him but the price at the time was much bigger than that. John Lynch made a couple nice moves but he also traded draft picks to move up in the 3rd round so that he could waste a 3rd rounder on QB CJ Beathard. I'd rather have Trubisky and the tantalizing prospect of having your good QB on a rookie deal then Garoppolo and having to pay him $100 million with over $60 million guaranteed.

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QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 4, 2017 -> 09:05 AM)
Couple things from here: Alshon Jeffery wasn't staying in Chicago. He didn't want to live or play here anymore. Garoppolo was not available around the draft. Had he been, I think the Bears would have considered trading their 2nd rounder for him but the price at the time was much bigger than that. John Lynch made a couple nice moves but he also traded draft picks to move up in the 3rd round so that he could waste a 3rd rounder on QB CJ Beathard. I'd rather have Trubisky and the tantalizing prospect of having your good QB on a rookie deal then Garoppolo and having to pay him $100 million with over $60 million guaranteed.

By the way...I do like Ryan Pace and you won't see me push to fire him. I liked moving up to get your guy at QB. And everything is on paper...we could have waited for Jimmy G and got nothing and been staring at another awful year waiting to draft a QB again. I hope Pace has the ability to find his head coach cause this job will not be a top destination, imo. That said, the Rams / Niners jobs were not desirable last year and they both ended up making fantastic hires. If I were the Bears, I'd slow play and take one of the assistants from a superbowl team. Reality is teams get inpatient so if we want one of the top assistants (say it is Josh McD), then the longer you are willing to wait, the rest of the pool has moved elsewhere and maybe then you can get that guy. Of course, if you don't get that guy (and he decides he doesn't like Trubisky, etc), then you find yourself in a really bad place.

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QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 4, 2017 -> 11:05 AM)
Couple things from here: Alshon Jeffery wasn't staying in Chicago. He didn't want to live or play here anymore. Garoppolo was not available around the draft. Had he been, I think the Bears would have considered trading their 2nd rounder for him but the price at the time was much bigger than that. John Lynch made a couple nice moves but he also traded draft picks to move up in the 3rd round so that he could waste a 3rd rounder on QB CJ Beathard. I'd rather have Trubisky and the tantalizing prospect of having your good QB on a rookie deal then Garoppolo and having to pay him $100 million with over $60 million guaranteed.

 

I seem to remember the rumor was that the Pats wanted two first round picks for Jimmy G at the draft.

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The fact that Fox still has a job is probably my least favorite thing about Ryan Pace. He hasn't drafted terribly and has yet to really make very many long term signings for me to grade those, but Fox still has a job, which is really disappointing.

 

Fire him and Loggains and just let Trubisky go out their and show his stuff. The end.

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The fact that Fox still has a job is probably my least favorite thing about Ryan Pace. He hasn't drafted terribly and has yet to really make very many long term signings for me to grade those, but Fox still has a job, which is really disappointing.

 

Fire him and Loggains and just let Trubisky go out their and show his stuff. The end.

 

If there was anyone on the staff they would consider as their next head coach, I would think he would be canned by now and that person given at least a little look.

 

My question would be if you don't think any of the current assistants are potential head coaches or at least worth a look on an interim basis, why the hell wasn't the staff upgraded long ago?

 

No one should be surprised about this season. Everyone knew Glennon sucked. Everyone figured if Trubisky would see the field, at best, there would be a learning curve. Everyone knew Kevin White would get hurt, leaving a receiving corp some NCAA teams can top. Everyone should have know Kyle Long is going to get hurt. Everyone knew McPhee would be a part timer. You had to figure Leonard Floyd would miss games, although concussion would have been my guess. As Dennis Green would say, the Bears are what we thought they were. Between them and the Bulls, it seems everyone knows what they are except their front offices. Fox hasn't been great, but he was set up to fail.

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QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 4, 2017 -> 10:35 AM)
I agree with you. This is a huge off-season for Pace...from finding the next head coach / coaching staff to building an offense around Trubiksy (while also continuing to build out the defense). If the arrow isn't pointing up at the end of next year, we are in trouble. Hopefully we get a pick that we can trade down for tons of picks (because one of the QB's is on the board with our pick).

I don't think this is the best way. The Bears should have a high pick. They need difference makers. Pace has done a pretty good job of drafting/signing decent guys. Guys like Amukamara, Trevathen etc. They Bears need difference makers. Another pass rusher or premium left tackle would fit the bill.

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QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 4, 2017 -> 04:50 PM)
Where would the Bears draft if the season ended today and what’s realistically the best pick we can get?

 

6th right now. Need Eli and Jimmy G to win some games down the stretch.

 

Browns 0-12

NYG 2-10

SF 2-10

Denver 3-9

Indy 3-9

Chicago 3-9

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QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Dec 4, 2017 -> 03:12 PM)
6th right now. Need Eli and Jimmy G to win some games down the stretch.

 

Browns 0-12

NYG 2-10

SF 2-10

Denver 3-9

Indy 3-9

Chicago 3-9

Bears have probably a win in them...Denver / Indy play each-other, so one of them will win a game. If we lose to Cleveland, we are definitely top 5, but I really don't see how that could possibly happen (unless we literally full blown tank). We have toughest schedule in the league so I believe we lose all tiebreakers. There are a handful of teams with 4 wins as well. We could suck and end up being pretty far down in the draft (which I fully expect to happen). If we won 1 game, we could literally pick as low as 8 (with 4 wins). If we won 2, I won't even go on. But we are in a really tough spot given our strength of schedule (toughest schedule in the league thus far). Someone correct me If I'm wrong, but I thought that was the primary tie-breaker.

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QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 4, 2017 -> 03:22 PM)
Bears have probably a win in them...Denver / Indy play each-other, so one of them will win a game. If we lose to Cleveland, we are definitely top 5, but I really don't see how that could possibly happen (unless we literally full blown tank). We have toughest schedule in the league so I believe we lose all tiebreakers. There are a handful of teams with 4 wins as well. We could suck and end up being pretty far down in the draft (which I fully expect to happen). If we won 1 game, we could literally pick as low as 8 (with 4 wins). If we won 2, I won't even go on. But we are in a really tough spot given our strength of schedule (toughest schedule in the league thus far). Someone correct me If I'm wrong, but I thought that was the primary tie-breaker.

Or is the tiebreaker based upon last years record (SOS) which I presume might be a different story. I know this year our Strenght of Schedule is brutal.

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QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 4, 2017 -> 05:30 PM)
If it is based upon prior year schedule, we were 19th. Niners / Browns / Texans / Colts are notable teams with worse records than us.

 

I assume it's based on this season. Like if two teams are tied, the team with the easier schedule was "worse" and gets the better draft picks. The Bears are screwed in that tiebreaker, given how good the NFC North is and they matched up vs the NFC south.

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QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Dec 4, 2017 -> 04:03 PM)
I assume it's based on this season. Like if two teams are tied, the team with the easier schedule was "worse" and gets the better draft picks. The Bears are screwed in that tiebreaker, given how good the NFC North is and they matched up vs the NFC south.

Actually I went and decided to look and it appears it is actually based upon last seasons record. Which means we aren't as "screwed".

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Interesting...based upon current NFL schedules, Bears and Redskins have 2 toughest schedules. Of the 8 teams with the hardest schedules, only 1 team has a winning record (New Orleans - 7th toughest schedule). On the inverse, if I look at the teams with the 8 easiest schedules 3 have winning records.

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QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 4, 2017 -> 06:04 PM)
Actually I went and decided to look and it appears it is actually based upon last seasons record. Which means we aren't as "screwed".

 

I don't think that's right, it looks like it is reverse strength of schedule this season.

 

 

https://operations.nfl.com/the-players/the-...s-of-the-draft/

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