2017-2018 NFL Thread

[Chisoxfn]

So Kwiatkowski likely done for year.

 

So incredibly annoying every year seeing half the defense go on IR in weeks 2-4.

 

Especially in preseason when everyones like "now that we are healthy we could be great on D". Football kinda sucks.

Its football. Violent sport. People get hurt and a lot.

[Chisoxfn]

The bright side to injuries is we are due for a run of good luck and hopefully it aligns with a time window where we actually can contend. I still stick to the assessment I made a week ago....we are a better team and trending in the right direction, even though the record won't show it, and I pointed out we would have games like yesterday given how limited our current offensive personnel is. We can't possibly overcome days like yesterday (4 turnovers, falling behind that much early, etc). Add into the fact that the Bucs are a pretty damn good team and well that is what happens.

 

I am now back to being okay with the fact that Fox didn't overreact and jump to Trubisky and continue to be focused on doing what is right for Mitchell. Probably not setting him up in the right position if we turn to him this week vs. Steelers and then the short window back to the Packers. Feels like when we are 0-4 and coming after the Packers game, although I could see the Bears deciding that a short-week against Packers is the right time...because it provides less time for Packers to gameplan for Mitchell.

[bmags]

Its football. Violent sport. People get hurt and a lot.

 

It's getting worse. I'm tired of watching the defense being comprised of half of the september practice squad every year. The 2006 bears had an offensive line that played all 16 games together. Whens the last time any position had that for the bears?

 

I don't think this is just the bears, but the NFL now is if like the entire MLB was the Mets in terms of injuries.

 

Oh yay, can't wait to sit down to watch gary nichols, the undrafted WR from nicholls state face off against bran darbo the 7th round corner back. Should be exciting.

 

 

[Kyyle23]

Hey I like Bran Darbo

[Chisoxfn]

It's getting worse. I'm tired of watching the defense being comprised of half of the september practice squad every year. The 2006 bears had an offensive line that played all 16 games together. Whens the last time any position had that for the bears?

 

I don't think this is just the bears, but the NFL now is if like the entire MLB was the Mets in terms of injuries.

 

Oh yay, can't wait to sit down to watch gary nichols, the undrafted WR from nicholls state face off against bran darbo the 7th round corner back. Should be exciting.

It is football, plain and simple and the increase in injuries is something the league has to figure out because it is legitimately affecting the quality of the league.

[Chisoxfn]

So given how quickly the Bears are probably going to turn things over to Trubisky (sometime between now and after the Packers game is starting to appear highly probably), should the Bears try to acquire a wide receiver.

 

Obviously we are not contending for anything this year and in general, I am a believer in keeping draft picks (if not acquiring more picks), but given how thin we are at the wide receiver position, should the Bears be actively looking at trading for someone who can be a long-term piece (vs. waiting until free agency/draft). Most of me stands in the, go with what we have camp (even if it is the worst corps in the league), however, another part of me says that if we are going to turn this over to Trubisky, we do want to put him in a position to succeed, and with the absolute lack of talent, are we actually stunting his growth by having such an incompetent corps out there? To go with that, we also have a really banged up oline (albeit, that hopefully can get better in the next couple weeks).

 

Not even sure who is out there, obviously Rams got Sammy Watkins right before season started (and I'm not saying I'd have made that trade if I were the Bears cause Watkins has tons of question marks).

[bmags]

I think if they were going to they would have done it by now.

[Dick Allen]

Brad Biggs seems to think Trubisky takes over after the Packers game. Thursday night vs. GB then they play 11 days later. He said there are 3 extra practices, and that could be the best time for him.

 

I just wonder what happens if Trubisky comes in and plays like a guy with the experience he has. Yesterday's game was bad, but IMO, it is going to get worse before it gets better, and he is being set up to struggle.

 

They couldn't count on White. You have to figure someone else would get hurt. I wish they resigned Alshon. I see no reason to let him go. They had plenty of money and he wasn't that expensive.

[Kyyle23]

The "lets switch him out in game 5" rumor is dumb imo. Why let Glennon sink this team any further? If Trubisky is the better Qb, then you put him in. There is no easy part of the schedule, after the packers they play Minnesota and Detroit twice, Carolina, Philly and Cinci. Those aren't easy defenses!

 

If Glennon comes out and s***s the bed in the first half again on sunday, it's gonna get hostile in Soldier Field

[ptatc]

It is football, plain and simple and the increase in injuries is something the league has to figure out because it is legitimately affecting the quality of the league.

Personally, I think it's the lack of practice time. No ones knows how to hit or avoid being hit as well as they used to. The number of overuse type injuries is way down but the number of collision type injuries is up.

[TheTruth05]

The "lets switch him out in game 5" rumor is dumb imo. Why let Glennon sink this team any further? If Trubisky is the better Qb, then you put him in. There is no easy part of the schedule, after the packers they play Minnesota and Detroit twice, Carolina, Philly and Cinci. Those aren't easy defenses!

 

If Glennon comes out and s***s the bed in the first half again on sunday, it's gonna get hostile in Soldier Field

 

Agree 100% with this sentiment. Risk 0-4 or just start the kid who is ready to play?

[ptatc]

The "lets switch him out in game 5" rumor is dumb imo. Why let Glennon sink this team any further? If Trubisky is the better Qb, then you put him in. There is no easy part of the schedule, after the packers they play Minnesota and Detroit twice, Carolina, Philly and Cinci. Those aren't easy defenses!

 

If Glennon comes out and s***s the bed in the first half again on sunday, it's gonna get hostile in Soldier Field

Because this team is not beating Pittsburgh or Green Bay with or without Glennon. Why subject Trubisky to either of those defenses. Pittsburgh's defense is really good and with Capers running GB's defense it's really complicated.

[TheTruth05]

Because this team is not beating Pittsburgh or Green Bay with or without Glennon. Why subject Trubisky to either of those defenses. Pittsburgh's defense is really good and with Capers running GB's defense it's really complicated.

 

Bears came within 3 drops of beating defending NFC champs Atlanta in week 1 even after 3 dog-s*** quarters from Glennon. There are no automatic wins in football.

[southsider2k5]

To be honest, I am not quite sure what the rush to Trubisky even is about. This is a trash team that isn't going anywhere anytime soon. Why rush him in? So the Bears can win 5 games instead of 3? Eh. Let the kid learn the game from the safety of the sideline as long as possible. He has absolutely nothing to throw to anyway, so what is he going to learn?

[Kyyle23]

Because this team is not beating Pittsburgh or Green Bay with or without Glennon. Why subject Trubisky to either of those defenses. Pittsburgh's defense is really good and with Capers running GB's defense it's really complicated.

 

Why subject him to those defenses? Kid has to learn what he is looking at, and neither of those defenses is better than Minnesota, who Trubisky would theoretically face twice.

 

You can't coddle him and try and find a soft landing spot. It isn't there, this is the NFL.

 

To be honest, I am not quite sure what the rush to Trubisky even is about. This is a trash team that isn't going anywhere anytime soon. Why rush him in? So the Bears can win 5 games instead of 3? Eh. Let the kid learn the game from the safety of the sideline as long as possible. He has absolutely nothing to throw to anyway, so what is he going to learn?

 

So next year there is no learning curve, he is ready to go. It isn't a rush if he is better than Glennon. And he has an offense to work with, he has good tight ends and running backs, but they are being marginalized because defenses are teeing off on a slow quarterback

[Dick Allen]

Why subject him to those defenses? Kid has to learn what he is looking at, and neither of those defenses is better than Minnesota, who Trubisky would theoretically face twice.

 

You can't coddle him and try and find a soft landing spot. It isn't there, this is the NFL.

 

 

 

So next year there is no learning curve, he is ready to go. It isn't a rush if he is better than Glennon. And he has an offense to work with, he has good tight ends and running backs, but they are being marginalized because defenses are teeing off on a slow quarterback

I still don't see the rush. I'm pretty sure this coaching staff knows if they don't win they will be unemployed, and they see these guys a lot more than we do. If they don't think he's ready, but he is, then why are they coaching?

 

Glennon sucks, but Mitch is probably going to suck too if he is always under pressure, and has no receivers who can get open or catch the ball.

[Soxfest]

Bears because of injuries at WR and OL are between a rock and a hard place at the QB position, I see both sides of the argument on MT playing now.

Edited September 18, 2017 by Soxfest

[Dick Allen]

Bears because of injuries are between a rock and a hard place at the QB position, I see both sides of the argument on MT.

If there were possible playoff implications, I would say, throw him out there. But anyone thinking that is just kidding themselves. Besides their schedule, teams that start out 0-2 make the playoffs 10% of the time. This roster doesn't inspire confidence it is one of the few who overcome that.

[Kyyle23]

I still don't see the rush. I'm pretty sure this coaching staff knows if they don't win they will be unemployed, and they see these guys a lot more than we do. If they don't think he's ready, but he is, then why are they coaching?

 

Glennon sucks, but Mitch is probably going to suck too if he is always under pressure, and has no receivers who can get open or catch the ball.

 

I just don't really see it much as a rush. Glennon looked like garbage in preseason, he never really looked like much in Tampa, aside from the fourth quarter against Atlanta he has been worthless. And to answer your question about the coaching staff, Fox is notorious for preferring veterans and being pretty stubborn once he decides to do something.

 

 

 

[TheTruth05]

I just don't really see it much as a rush. Glennon looked like garbage in preseason, he never really looked like much in Tampa, aside from the fourth quarter against Atlanta he has been worthless. And to answer your question about the coaching staff, Fox is notorious for preferring veterans and being pretty stubborn once he decides to do something.

 

To add to this, there's just no way Glennon doesn't highlight these issues more than Mitch would. He's a pillar out there with no mobile ability whatsoever and he stares down receivers. Not to mention he can't throw the ball downfield.

 

[witesoxfan]

So next year there is no learning curve, he is ready to go. It isn't a rush if he is better than Glennon. And he has an offense to work with, he has good tight ends and running backs, but they are being marginalized because defenses are teeing off on a slow quarterback

 

Are the Bears a playoff team next year if Trubisky is ahead of the learning curve?

[Dick Allen]

Are the Bears a playoff team next year if Trubisky is ahead of the learning curve?

He'll probably be with a new offensive coordinator and a new system.

[Kyyle23]

Are the Bears a playoff team next year if Trubisky is ahead of the learning curve?

 

Things change quickly for teams every season. Especially if you have a competent quarterback. The Raiders went from straight up trash to pretty good while letting Derek Carr learn on the way

[ptatc]

Why subject him to those defenses? Kid has to learn what he is looking at, and neither of those defenses is better than Minnesota, who Trubisky would theoretically face twice.

 

You can't coddle him and try and find a soft landing spot. It isn't there, this is the NFL.

 

 

 

So next year there is no learning curve, he is ready to go. It isn't a rush if he is better than Glennon. And he has an offense to work with, he has good tight ends and running backs, but they are being marginalized because defenses are teeing off on a slow quarterback

But if he is not ready to read the defenses and come up with the proper adjustment, he will be a danger to himself and the other players out there.

There is a difference between not executing well and not choosing the proper response to the defense.

The Pittsburgh and GB defenses may not be much better on stats but both are very complicated with many zone blitzes.

There is also more time to prepare after the GB game with going from a Thursday game to the following Sunday. An extra few days to prepare for his first opponent can only help.

 

Fox has to be worried for his job. There is no way he would not play Trubiskey if he thought he was ready unless Pace has told him not to.

 

They may not be able to find a soft spot to land but they can put him in the best situation to play well. That is the job of a coach.

Edited September 18, 2017 by ptatc

[Dick Allen]

Things change quickly for teams every season. Especially if you have a competent quarterback. The Raiders went from straight up trash to pretty good while letting Derek Carr learn on the way

3-13

7-9

12-4

 

Carr's first 3 years and the Raiders' record. I would think Trubisky is in a similar spot.