2017-2018 NFL Thread

[soxfan49]

Yep. He doesn't have the "It" factor. We have ourselves another Cutler. Sigh. The great ones, even as rookies, found ways to win games they shouldn't.

Guy has played 17 games since high school and these are the takes ALREADY? f*** this city

[LittleHurt05]

Not to be that guy, it's so early in the careers, but DeShaun Watson isn't making Pace look any smarter. But he has a top 5 receiver and another emerging young receiver.

[Kyyle23]

Not to be that guy, it's so early in the careers, but DeShaun Watson isn't making Pace look any smarter. But he has a top 5 receiver and another emerging young receiver.

 

I think the two elite WRs makes the comparison impossible

[LittleHurt05]

I think the two elite WRs makes the comparison impossible

 

I can't argue with that, as well as how many more games Watson played in college. But the comparison is gonna be there. I've been pleased with the positives from Trubisky, hope it keeps up.

 

What a regular season game though

 

 

[soxfan49]

Not to be that guy, it's so early in the careers, but DeShaun Watson isn't making Pace look any smarter. But he has a top 5 receiver and another emerging young receiver.

Pace has drafted Jackson, Amos, Howard, Whitehair, Goldman, and Floyd and signed Hicks, Sitton, and Trevathan. If you consider the roster he took over, Pace has done a really good job IMO

[LittleHurt05]

Pace has drafted Jackson, Amos, Howard, Whitehair, Goldman, and Floyd and signed Hicks, Sitton, and Trevathan. If you consider the roster he took over, Pace has done a really good job IMO

 

I love the defense now and Pace has done well with that, but his entire tenure will depend on what Trubisky does, thats.all.

 

[MexSoxFan#1]

[SoxAce]

Colts are making T.Y. Hilton available for trade.

[Wanne]

Yep. He doesn't have the "It" factor. We have ourselves another Cutler. Sigh. The great ones, even as rookies, found ways to win games they shouldn't.

 

this post is idiotic on so many levels...geezus.

[TheTruth05]

Chris Mortensen

@mortreport

Bears TE Zach Miller was having urgent vascular surgery in New Orleans last night to repair artery damage on dislocated knee, per sources

 

Brutal, hoping everything turns out okay for Zach.

[Dick Allen]

On 3rd and 4th and 1 there should have been run plays. Absolutely no reason to pass both times there. Idiocy.

I get that, and you are probably right, but when people complain they aren't throwing enough and then complain they are throwing, it sort of rubs me the wrong way.

 

Again, I listened to OB and Hampton after the game. OB crying about you can't win with defense, and said the last time you could was 1963. Then he is complaining you need to throw more. Then they bring up these 2 calls and he's says, who would you throw the ball to? Nobody. Well, if you have 2 chances to complete a 1 yard pass when the opposition thinks you will run and you fail, what makes anyone think that they would have started completing passes had they run for the first down?

[Dick Allen]

Yep. He doesn't have the "It" factor. We have ourselves another Cutler. Sigh. The great ones, even as rookies, found ways to win games they shouldn't.

Like Peyton Manning. Colts 3-13 his rookie year and he led the league in INTs. Oh that's not the IT factor but the INT factor. Excuse me.

 

Judging a guy with 13 career college starts in his first few NFL games with a lackluster supporting cast is beyond insane.

[Chicago White Sox]

Chris Mortensen

@mortreport

Bears TE Zach Miller was having urgent vascular surgery in New Orleans last night to repair artery damage on dislocated knee, per sources

 

Brutal, hoping everything turns out okay for Zach.

There was an updated tweet that this surgery was to help save his leg. Really hoping for the best for him here.

[Dick Allen]

There was an updated tweet that this surgery was to help save his leg. Really hoping for the best for him here.

The injury was gruesome. He's most likely done playing football. Hopefully they can save the leg and he can live a normal life.

 

Very scary.

[LittleHurt05]

Good luck to Zach Miller, that's awful news.

[southsider2k5]

There was an updated tweet that this surgery was to help save his leg. Really hoping for the best for him here.

 

Saw the same thing. Wow. Hopefully the guy is OK. No idea it was THAT serious.

[Harry Chappas]

Whitehair and Long were both out for the Bears at the end of the game.

 

You really can't judge Trubs on anything this year as there are zero receivers.

 

Bears/review gave away 11 points yesterday. That's the difference in the game.

 

[Kyyle23]

I get that, and you are probably right, but when people complain they aren't throwing enough and then complain they are throwing, it sort of rubs me the wrong way.

 

Again, I listened to OB and Hampton after the game. OB crying about you can't win with defense, and said the last time you could was 1963. Then he is complaining you need to throw more. Then they bring up these 2 calls and he's says, who would you throw the ball to? Nobody. Well, if you have 2 chances to complete a 1 yard pass when the opposition thinks you will run and you fail, what makes anyone think that they would have started completing passes had they run for the first down?

 

My issue yesterday wasnt really that they didn’t throw enough per se, it’s that they put Mitch in bad spots with a predictable Run-Run-Pass offense. Far too many three and outs when the defense was doing their job against one of the best QBs in the history of the league. Coupled with the missed FG and taken away touchdown, just a very disappointing ending

 

 

[Jack Parkman]

Like Peyton Manning. Colts 3-13 his rookie year and he led the league in INTs. Oh that's not the IT factor but the INT factor. Excuse me.

 

Judging a guy with 13 career college starts in his first few NFL games with a lackluster supporting cast is beyond insane.

Manning still threw 26 TDs that year. Talk to me when Trubisky a) has a multi-TD game and b) completes more than 50% of his passes, when 62% is the minimum acceptable level for modern NFL QBs. My argument is this: If this guy needs so much time, then maybe you shouldn't have wasted the 2nd overall pick on a guy who isn't going to be able to contribute until 2019. IMO, Deshaun Watson has the "it" factor. Trubisky doesn't. Watson has had a 5 TD game in his 3rd NFL start. (And, IIRC, he had a rushing TD in that game too) My complaint is that Trubisky was a blatant severe overdraft due to position. Watson was the only QB who was a 1st round talent and he probably shouldn't have been taken top 20. Trubisky and Mahomes were 2nd or 3rd rounders. They got overdrafted because of a need at a position. I hate drafting QBs who have only started one season since HS, because they almost always are epic busts. As a matter of fact, I challenge anybody to give me the name of a QB since 1990 who started one season since HS, was drafted in the 1st round and wasn't an epic bust.

Edited October 30, 2017 by Jack Parkman

[Dick Allen]

Manning still threw 26 TDs that year. Talk to me when Trubisky a) has a multi-TD game and b) completes more than 50% of his passes, when 62% is the minimum acceptable level for modern NFL QBs. My argument is this: If this guy needs so much time, then maybe you shouldn't have wasted the 2nd overall pick on a guy who isn't going to be able to contribute until 2019. IMO, Deshaun Watson has the "it" factor. Trubisky doesn't. Watson has had a 5 TD game in his 3rd NFL start. (And, IIRC, he had a rushing TD in that game too) My complaint is that Trubisky was a blatant severe overdraft due to position. Watson was the only QB who was a 1st round talent and he probably shouldn't have been taken top 20. Trubisky and Mahomes were 2nd or 3rd rounders. They got overdrafted because of a need at a position. I hate drafting QBs who have only started one season since HS, because they almost always are epic busts. As a matter of fact, I challenge anybody to give me the name of a QB who started one season since HS, was drafted in the 1st round and wasn't an epic bust.

They didn't draft him to win this year. Watson would have been a much better choice if it was about 2017. It's about 2018 and beyond. We will see what happens, but Watson wouldn't have the same numbers he has now if he was drafted by the Bears.

[soxfan49]

Manning still threw 26 TDs that year. Talk to me when Trubisky a) has a multi-TD game and b) completes more than 50% of his passes, when 62% is the minimum acceptable level for modern NFL QBs. My argument is this: If this guy needs so much time, then maybe you shouldn't have wasted the 2nd overall pick on a guy who isn't going to be able to contribute until 2019. IMO, Deshaun Watson has the "it" factor. Trubisky doesn't. Watson has had a 5 TD game in his 3rd NFL start. (And, IIRC, he had a rushing TD in that game too) My complaint is that Trubisky was a blatant severe overdraft due to position. Watson was the only QB who was a 1st round talent and he probably shouldn't have been taken top 20. Trubisky and Mahomes were 2nd or 3rd rounders. They got overdrafted because of a need at a position. I hate drafting QBs who have only started one season since HS, because they almost always are epic busts. As a matter of fact, I challenge anybody to give me the name of a QB since 1990 who started one season since HS, was drafted in the 1st round and wasn't an epic bust.

Then why did one scout say Trubisky was the best QB prospect since Luck?

[Chisoxfn]

I get that, and you are probably right, but when people complain they aren't throwing enough and then complain they are throwing, it sort of rubs me the wrong way.

 

Again, I listened to OB and Hampton after the game. OB crying about you can't win with defense, and said the last time you could was 1963. Then he is complaining you need to throw more. Then they bring up these 2 calls and he's says, who would you throw the ball to? Nobody. Well, if you have 2 chances to complete a 1 yard pass when the opposition thinks you will run and you fail, what makes anyone think that they would have started completing passes had they run for the first down?

I was ripping on Trubisky last week, but I was much more pleased with him this week. I saw general progress. I also thought Spielman was fantastic calling the game and on multiple plays identifying both moments where Trubisky could have/should have done something else, but also a whole lot of plays where he literally looked at the replays and said...can't do much when your receivers are consistently not getting open. Trubisky missed a couple guys open (not sure if he missed Cohen or if Cohen mistimed the jump...but obviously Cohen being as small as he is, makes him much harder to find down the field. Bye week is coming at a good time.

[Chisoxfn]

Saw the same thing. Wow. Hopefully the guy is OK. No idea it was THAT serious.

OMG. Really was bummed for Miller but this makes me even more bummed. Praying everything goes okay.

[Kyyle23]

“It” factor is totally subjective and there is nothing quantifiable about it. Kaepernick had “it” when he went to the super bowl, then he didn’t

[LittleHurt05]

Manning still threw 26 TDs that year. Talk to me when Trubisky a) has a multi-TD game and b) completes more than 50% of his passes, when 62% is the minimum acceptable level for modern NFL QBs. My argument is this: If this guy needs so much time, then maybe you shouldn't have wasted the 2nd overall pick on a guy who isn't going to be able to contribute until 2019. IMO, Deshaun Watson has the "it" factor. Trubisky doesn't. Watson has had a 5 TD game in his 3rd NFL start. (And, IIRC, he had a rushing TD in that game too) My complaint is that Trubisky was a blatant severe overdraft due to position. Watson was the only QB who was a 1st round talent and he probably shouldn't have been taken top 20. Trubisky and Mahomes were 2nd or 3rd rounders. They got overdrafted because of a need at a position. I hate drafting QBs who have only started one season since HS, because they almost always are epic busts. As a matter of fact, I challenge anybody to give me the name of a QB since 1990 who started one season since HS, was drafted in the 1st round and wasn't an epic bust.

 

Cam Newton?

 

I could barely find any such players that were epic busts, almost all QBs has 2+ years of experience in college.