Jurickson Profar and Domonic Brown

[iWiN4PreP]

Domonic Brown: http://www.rotoworld.com/player/mlb/5379/domonic-brown

 

"Rockies released OF Domonic Brown.

Brown, now 29 years old, batted .304/.327/.449 with three homers and 21 RBI over 48 games with the Rockies' Triple-A affiliate. The former All-Star hasn't appeared in the majors since 2015 and will try to earn his way back on the radar elsewhere. Aug 1 - 11:50 AM"

 

Jurickson Profar : http://www.rotoworld.com/player/mlb/6248/jurickson-profar

 

Jurickson Profar was held out of Monday's lineup with Triple-A Round Rock after he expressed frustration for not being traded at the deadline.

Profar has since been placed on the 7-day disabled list in Triple-A. The Rangers reportedly looked around for a potential fit before the deadline, but they were unable to find a deal. The former top prospect has appeared in 22 games with the Rangers this season, but he's spent the majority of the year in Triple-A while batting .300/.386/.440 with four homers, 37 RBI, and a 25/31 K/BB ratio over 67 games. His frustration is understandable, but there's still no clear opening for him on the major league roster. He's under team control through 2019, but his future with Texas is very much in question. Aug 1 - 11:36 AM

 

Both players have had some issues. With Brown, it is likely baseball related where he will never reach his true prospect status. With Profar, he is simply blocked at the major league level and ultimately needs a trade.

 

I feel the White Sox should invest in Brown for a chance. They should also try to swing a deal for the talented Profar if possible.

 

Any thoughts?

 

[Bananarchy]

I'm not sure I make a move for Profar and I'm not sure the Rangers would accept a deal from us for Profar. I wanted to like the kid, but injuries and some unfortunate timing have dimmed his star.

Edited August 5, 2017 by Sox-35th

[Dam8610]

Signing Brown as a buy low, flip high guy isn't a terrible idea. On Profar, if the price is right (see: cheap), pick him up. More talent is better.

[LittleHurt05]

Two names to remember during the rebuild. When Brown and Profar were prospects, this board would have been ecstatic to trade for them.

[Jose Abreu]

Profar would be a great get, but 2B is obviously taken up, and when Cordell is healthy, it would be hard to find MLB playing time for him (assuming Avi is back, Leury is healthy, etc.)

[Dam8610]

Profar would be a great get, but 2B is obviously taken up, and when Cordell is healthy, it would be hard to find MLB playing time for him (assuming Avi is back, Leury is healthy, etc.)

 

Can Profar play SS, 3B, and OF? If so, you may be able to Zobrist him. Just rotate him all around the defensive positions and DH to get him into the lineup everyday.

[Jake]

Only 2 more seasons of team control for Profar.

[Chicago White Sox]

Only 2 more seasons of team control for Profar.

This is why you pass on Profar. And we're overflowing with fringe OF prospects who age-wise could be part of the future core, no reason waste playing time on the 29 year old Brown.

[caulfield12]

Profar only has plus value at SS or maybe second/CF combo.

 

The only way this would make any sense was Anderson playing the first half of 2017 in Charlotte...flipping Profar at the deadline.

[Dam8610]

Profar only has plus value at SS or maybe second/CF combo.

 

The only way this would make any sense was Anderson playing the first half of 2017 in Charlotte...flipping Profar at the deadline.

 

Would he have plus value as a Zobrist type of player?

[GreenSox]

The Sox have a bunch of Domonic Browns. Don't need any more.

Profar has never had an OPS in excess of .660 and he has 2 more years of control. This year he sports a .501. We have a bunch of those guys too.

Edited August 6, 2017 by GreenSox

[Thad Bosley]

We already have today's version of Jurickson Profar. His name is Leury Garcia.

[Two-Gun Pete]

We already have today's version of Jurickson Profar. His name is Leury Garcia.

...and both are better, smarter, and more versatile players than Anderson, full stop.

 

Thank God we gave Anderson a contract extension after one lucky season.

[southsider2k5]

...and both are better, smarter, and more versatile players than Anderson, full stop.

 

Thank God we gave Anderson a contract extension after one lucky season.

 

Do you understand exactly how little money $21 million spread over 6 years actually is in modern baseball?

[Rowand44]

...and both are better, smarter, and more versatile players than Anderson, full stop.

 

Thank God we gave Anderson a contract extension after one lucky season.

Do you have any posts in the last few months besides whining about the very little money that we're paying Anderson?

[Two-Gun Pete]

Do you understand exactly how little money $21 million spread over 6 years actually is in modern baseball?

Show us where I mentioned the dollar amount. Feel free.

 

Do you have any posts in the last few months besides whining about the very little money that we're paying Anderson?

Again, show us where I mentioned a dollar amount. And as we learned in grammar school math, "show your work."

 

 

The cogent part of the discussion is that Anderson got his money after having less than 1 year's service time. In other words, less than half of what Chris Sale put in to EARN his contract, less than half of what Q put in to EARN his, & less than half of what Eaton put in service time to earn his contract, if memory serves.

 

Are we to believe that this FO truly thought that Anderson was twice the prospect, when compared to Sale, Q, or Eaton? After all, he didn't have to put in the time that the others did, amirite?

Edited August 7, 2017 by Two-Gun Pete

[Rowand44]

Broken freakin record. People are done hearing it because it's the stupidest freaking argument out there. You're complaining about something that doesn't hurt the organization at all. And you've been doing it for months.

Edited August 7, 2017 by Rowand44

[southsider2k5]

Show us where I mentioned the dollar amount. Feel free.

 

 

Again, show us where I mentioned a dollar amount. And as we learned in grammar school math, "show your work."

 

 

The cogent part of the discussion is that Anderson got his money after having less than 1 year's service time. In other words, less than half of what Chris Sale put in to EARN his contract, less than half of what Q put in to EARN his, & less than half of what Eaton put in service time to earn his contract, if memory serves.

 

Are we to believe that this FO truly thought that Anderson was twice the prospect, when compared to Sale, Q, or Eaton? After all, he didn't have to put in the time that the others did, amirite?

 

Well then I am glad to see you agree that it isn't an important amount of money and you will quit mentioning it ad naseum as it is irrelevant to the teams future, as well as it being a non sequitor to try to compare the amount to what past players have gotten as it is an exercise in things that are not really comparable.

 

As to the service time meaning something as to signing an extension, that might the most ridiculous thing that you have ever posted here. There is absolutely zero logic in that statement.

[Two-Gun Pete]

Well then I am glad to see you agree that it isn't an important amount of money and you will quit mentioning it ad naseum as it is irrelevant to the teams future, as well as it being a non sequitor to try to compare the amount to what past players have gotten as it is an exercise in things that are not really comparable.

 

As to the service time meaning something as to signing an extension, that might the most ridiculous thing that you have ever posted here. There is absolutely zero logic in that statement.

On the contrary, signing & playing bad players was one central reason why the previous "stars & scrubs" roster failed. In other words, despite having Sale & Q & Eaton, one reason why the 2014-2016 teams sucked is that there were too many sub-replacement level players playing significant time. (In turn, dragging the whole roster down.)

 

With respect to the timing of Anderson's contract, they foolishly committed money, but more importantly, A STARTER'S ROLE to a guy that none of us know if he'll ever be a reliably-decent starter @ his position. With more MLB time, the FO could have had more info to make that determination. (As they did with Sale, Q, & Eaton.)

 

So again: show your work. I've made mention of the idiotic timing of the contract. But I don't have a word to say about the dollar amount, nor have I previously to this.

Edited August 7, 2017 by Two-Gun Pete

[Two-Gun Pete]

Broken freakin record. People are done hearing it because it's the stupidest freaking argument out there. You're complaining about something that doesn't hurt the organization at all. And you've been doing it for months.

Show your work. Show us where I mentioned a dollar amount.

 

My position has been, & remains that they should have made Anderson wait to get his money. They should have let him prove that he was worth it, NOT stumble all over themselves after less than one whole season of work on his part.

[witesoxfan]

Show your work. Show us where I mentioned a dollar amount.

 

My position has been, & remains that they should have made Anderson wait to get his money. They should have let him prove that he was worth it, NOT stumble all over themselves after less than one whole season of work on his part.

 

Of course, if they "make" Anderson get his money, then you are talking about an extension in the $35-50 million range as opposed to $24 million. It's a risk they were willing to take.

[southsider2k5]

On the contrary, signing & playing bad players was one central reason why the previous "stars & scrubs" roster failed. In other words, despite having Sale & Q & Eaton, one reason why the 2014-2016 teams sucked is that there were too many sub-replacement level players playing significant time. (In turn, dragging the whole roster down.)

 

With respect to the timing of Anderson's contract, they foolishly committed money, but more importantly, A STARTER'S ROLE to a guy that none of us know if he'll ever be a reliably-decent starter @ his position. With more MLB time, the FO could have had more info to make that determination. (As they did with Sale, Q, & Eaton.)

 

So again: show your work. I've made mention of the idiotic timing of the contract. But I don't have a word to say about the dollar amount, nor have I previously to this.

 

If the money isn't important, then when do you keep mentioning it, yet pretending you aren't?

 

The timing issue is also ridiculous. You don't get to offer the same contract in the first year of service as you do in the second year. Each passing year pushes any potential extension price up by a large factor. In fact the cost difference between signing early and going year by year has been shown to be something like $10 million over the course of just the controlled years, without even mentioning the extra savings that can be gotten from signing away potential free agent years.

 

The service time issue as you are selling it is also silly. Does Houston offering a contract extension to a minor leaguer mean they think he is the greatest prospect of al time as that is infinitely less service time than anyone in the history of baseball has ever signed an extension for.

 

It would also be helpful if you could realize with the extension amount being so small that they aren't fully committed to Anderson as a starter for the entire six years. Not even close. The Sox have dumped guys on much more expensive contracts without a second thought. Do you have a quote somewhere that shows the Sox are fully committed to Anderson at SS for six years because of this contract? If they were, why were they trying to trade for guys like Gleybar Torres?

 

Honestly I would be interested to see your "work". You keep making ridiculous claims with literally zero proof of evidence. Let's see you actually show anything about what you are arguing here.

[Jerksticks]

Doesn't Anderson only have to put up like .5WAR per season or something to justify the money?

 

Petey-Boy, look at it this way:

 

If Anderson becomes even tolerable the money is worth it.

 

If Anderson becomes an above average player the Sox hit a Home Run.

 

If he becomes a star KW will be allowed to sleep with every fan's wife and stay for breakfast in the morning.

 

If he sucks he can be replaced for a miniscule hit financially. Not even peanuts, but the shells.

[GreenSox]

Anderson's salary/contract is a sunk cost, so it's irrelevant at this point.

 

He's had a rough season....but still better than Profar.

[Two-Gun Pete]

Of course, if they "make" Anderson get his money, then you are talking about an extension in the $35-50 million range as opposed to $24 million. It's a risk they were willing to take.

And that's perfectly fine. If it was OK for Sale to wait, why was it suddenly ALL-IMPORTANT to get Anderson signed, without having a body of work to properly judge him?

 

If the money isn't important, then when do you keep mentioning it, yet pretending you aren't?

 

Show us you work. Show us where I mentioned a dollar amount. We all noticed how you glossed over me emphasizing the STARTER'S ROLE when you quoted me.

 

If you're going to make ridiculous claims about me, at the very minimum, make these claims based on what should be easily found by searching my posts, not imaginary claims without basis.

 

 

See, the reality is that the only thing I've mentioned about this contract is that it was as premature as a virgin on prom night.

Edited August 8, 2017 by Two-Gun Pete