Reds Claim DJ Peterson from White Sox

[steveno89]

I give up. You guys are looking for a certain type of ballplayer and Davidson doesn't fit the bill. I wish we'd just release him now so I don't have to hear what a non prospect he is. Fields hit 23 home runs in 2007, then 10 homers the rest of his career. So that is a perfect comparison if Davidson is done producing at age 26.

 

Davidson will get 2017 and 2018 to show us that he can improve, but I highly doubt he is on our roster in anything more than a bench role by 2019/2020.

 

Good players do not have an on base % of .278 given the amount of playing time he has received. Davidson is what he is, a replacement level player.

[greg775]

Good players do not have an on base % of .278 given the amount of playing time he has received. Davidson is what he is, a replacement level player.

I hope you judge all our players as quickly as you judged Davidson and deemed him incapable of improving on some good performances his rookie season. Like I said on to the next guy. I don't know why we'd waste any more time on Davidson if we know he's a replacement level player. Put somebody else in there to hold the fort for Burger.

Will you judge Burger in the same amount of at bats?

Edited August 9, 2017 by greg775

[steveno89]

I hope you judge all our players as quickly as you judged Davidson and deemed him incapable of improving on some good performances his rookie season. Like I said on to the next guy. I don't know why we'd waste any more time on Davidson if we know he's a replacement level player. Put somebody else in there to hold the fort for Burger.

Will you judge Burger in the same amount of at bats?

 

Burger is 21 years old and in the minors, Davidson is 26 with a track record of not walking or making enough contract. Currently Burger is a significantly better prospect, but the jury is still out on him.

[witesoxfan]

I hope you judge all our players as quickly as you judged Davidson and deemed him incapable of improving on some good performances his rookie season. Like I said on to the next guy. I don't know why we'd waste any more time on Davidson if we know he's a replacement level player. Put somebody else in there to hold the fort for Burger.

Will you judge Burger in the same amount of at bats?

 

If Burger shows he can't walk and strikes out too much while not hitting for nearly enough average or providing very good defense after 4,421 plate appearances, yes, I will judge him the same way.

[Jake]

Burger is 21 years old and in the minors, Davidson is 26 with a track record of not walking or making enough contract. Currently Burger is a significantly better prospect, but the jury is still out on him.

 

To be fair to Davidson, he does not have a track record of not walking other than this single season. He has always posted good walk rates in the minor leagues even at his worst. If he walked this year at the rate he walked in AAA last year, it would make my outlook for him much more optimistic.

[BamaDoc]

Davidson is fine as a placeholder. At one time, he was a good prospect. If he puts it together fine. If not, he won't hold anyone back.

[flavum]

Looks like the Reds quietly claimed him off waivers this weekend.

 

The Sox also outrighted the catcher, Gonzalez to AA.

 

40-man at 38.

Edited September 18, 2017 by flavum

[GreenSox]

the Sox have a bunch of position players who auditioned this season...many of them look the same.

They can bring them all back - most of them earned another year - but who is going to pitch for this organization next year? I wonder if they can't trade a couple for some young 5th starter/bullpen types.

[Bob Sacamano]

the Sox have a bunch of position players who auditioned this season...many of them look the same.

They can bring them all back - most of them earned another year - but who is going to pitch for this organization next year? I wonder if they can't trade a couple for some young 5th starter/bullpen types.

 

Well your rotation is probably Rodon, Lopez, Giolito, Shields, veteran cheap signing to open the year (Shields or this guy dumped for Kopech). Bullpen, some of the guys we currently have in it plus probably a veteran signing or two like Fernando Rodney, Drew Storen, etc along with other minor league signings.

Edited September 18, 2017 by soxfan2014

[southsider2k5]

The writing was on the wall when the White Sox didn't even recall him despite being on the 40 man roster.

[Bob Sacamano]

The writing was on the wall when the White Sox didn't even recall him despite being on the 40 man roster.

 

Yep. Then you factor in that they'll need to make room for the few guys on the 60-day dl soon along with anyone who may need to be added protected from the Rule 5 draft.

[southsider2k5]

Yep. Then you factor in that they'll need to make room for the few guys on the 60-day dl soon along with anyone who may need to be added protected from the Rule 5 draft.

 

You do have the Pelfrey slot about to open soon, and I am sure there will be some other roster managment moves made over the next month to clean it up a bit.

 

We already saw Holmberg dumped once already. I have to imagine Volstad, Farquar and Albequeque aren't long for the roster either. I'd also guess that Brantley and one of the OFs (Rymer, Hansen, or Willy) are also purged.

[ChiSox59]

You do have the Pelfrey slot about to open soon, and I am sure there will be some other roster managment moves made over the next month to clean it up a bit.

 

We already saw Holmberg dumped once already. I have to imagine Volstad, Farquar and Albequeque aren't long for the roster either. I'd also guess that Brantley and one of the OFs (Rymer, Hansen, or Willy) are also purged.

 

Yah I'd say all of these guys are probably gone shortly after the season ends:

 

Alburquerque, Beck, Farquhar, Holmberg, Volstad, and Brantley. That would put the 40 man at 32.

[Real]

Well your rotation is probably Rodon, Lopez, Giolito, Shields, veteran cheap signing to open the year (Shields or this guy dumped for Kopech). Bullpen, some of the guys we currently have in it plus probably a veteran signing or two like Fernando Rodney, Drew Storen, etc along with other minor league signings.

 

wouldn't surprise me if they go with a 6-man at some point next year, maybe not for the full year but perhaps to start the season or start the all-star break

[Bob Sacamano]

wouldn't surprise me if they go with a 6-man at some point next year, maybe not for the full year but perhaps to start the season or start the all-star break

 

Wouldn't surprise me either. Ese everyone into a full year.

[BlackSox13]

wouldn't surprise me if they go with a 6-man at some point next year, maybe not for the full year but perhaps to start the season or start the all-star break

Just curious but why a six man rotation?

 

The way Fulmer has pitched I'd go ahead and throw him in the rotation next year to see how he responds. Start the season with Rodon, Shields, Lopez, Giolito and Fulmer. When Kopech is ready we wave our final goodbye to Shields. Nice thing is if for some reason Fulmer doesn't stick as a starter, Hansen could be ready for a September call-up next year, possibly sooner. Hansen pitched 141+ innings this year so a September call-up next year would help to build his innings to the 160-175 range to help get him prepared for 2019.

[Kyyle23]

Just curious but why a six man rotation?

 

The way Fulmer has pitched I'd go ahead and throw him in the rotation next year to see how he responds. Start the season with Rodon, Shields, Lopez, Giolito and Fulmer. When Kopech is ready we wave our final goodbye to Shields. Nice thing is if for some reason Fulmer doesn't stick as a starter, Hansen could be ready for a September call-up next year, possibly sooner. Hansen pitched 141+ innings this year so a September call-up next year would help to build his innings to the 160-175 range to help get him prepared for 2019.

 

Probably because almost all of the rotation will be pushing their innings significantly. Good way to keep them in the rotation and add innings more gradually

[BlackSox13]

Probably because almost all of the rotation will be pushing their innings significantly. Good way to keep them in the rotation and add innings more gradually

Good point. Looks like the entire rotation ( including Rodon ) will be building innings next year so it makes some sense.

 

How about this? Start the season with Rodon, Shields, Lopez, Giolito and Fulmer. When Kopech is ready he becomes the sixth starter. If Hansen progresses like I think he will, the Sox can trade/dump Shields in July/August and give his spot to Hansen. Due to the Sox desire to be competitive in 2019, I think they bring Hansen up earlier than expected to get him acclimated to life in the MLB. If things progress as I think they could, the 2019 rotation would be Rodon, Kopech, Lopez, Giolito and Hansen. That leaves two options for Fulmer 1) become a reliever or 2) if he has some success as a 2018 starter, he can be used in a trade to help fill a hole somewhere on the 2019 roster. Well, it sounds good in theory, we'll see.

Edited September 19, 2017 by BlackSox13

[southsider2k5]

wouldn't surprise me if they go with a 6-man at some point next year, maybe not for the full year but perhaps to start the season or start the all-star break

 

Historically that sounds nothing like the White Sox. They will try everything they can to get these guys stretched to a full season. If they have dead arm periods they will either be skipped or they will be DL'd and replaced. The White Sox typically push guys to get their innings if at all possible.

[Bob Sacamano]

Historically that sounds nothing like the White Sox. They will try everything they can to get these guys stretched to a full season. If they have dead arm periods they will either be skipped or they will be DL'd and replaced. The White Sox typically push guys to get their innings if at all possible.

 

Does anyone remember which season the Sox used a 6-man rotation for a decent amount of the year? Was it Sale's first year in the rotation?

Edited September 19, 2017 by soxfan2014

[southsider2k5]

Yah I'd say all of these guys are probably gone shortly after the season ends:

 

Alburquerque, Beck, Farquhar, Holmberg, Volstad, and Brantley. That would put the 40 man at 32.

 

One more wild card to throw out there... Zach Putnam will be non-tendered, so will not need to be added back. Geo Soto will be a free agent so he won't need to be added back either. The only guy who will need (in my guess) adding will be Charlie Tilson.

[Jose Abreu]

The only guy who will need (in my guess) adding will be Charlie Tilson.

Charlie who?

[ptatc]

Does anyone remember which season the Sox used a 6-man rotation for a decent amount of the year? Was it Sale's first year in the rotation?

I don't recall that ever happening.

[Balta1701]

I don't recall that ever happening.

I checked back to 2012 and 2013 and although there were more than 5 guys to receive starts, some of them were things like Axelrod getting 10 starts, Danks and Floyd getting 5-10 to start the season before they got hurt.

 

I can't specifically remember if they might have switched to a 6 man rotation down the stretch in 2012 to keep Quintana and Sale's innings low, but it wasn't for more than a few weeks if so.

[Bob Sacamano]

I don't recall that ever happening.

 

I think it was actually the prior year he was in the rotation but there was a point where they had a 6-man rotation one season. Whoever was supposed to throw side work that day would sit in the pen as an extra reliever. I think it was Peavy who came into a game in like the 3rd inning and ended up pitching 2-3 innings and getting a win.

 

Looking at it now, the 2011 team had Buehrle, Peavy, Floyd, Danks, Jackson, and Phil Humber throw at least 19 games. It wasn't all season, but they did have a 6-man rotation going at some point. I'm about to leave work but can check game logs later.

Edited September 19, 2017 by soxfan2014