Reynaldo getting the call and the ball on Friday

[Balta1701]

I don't think it's a matter of trust. He's a young pitcher that doesn't want to come out of the game, especially in a close game with guys on. Good on Abreu for playing veteran and doing the right thing.

 

 

Exactly. You're looking way too much into this, Balta.

I know it's a young pitcher who wants to stay in the game, but darnit, I also want my young pitchers to understand that one game does not matter if they hurt themselves. How many guys have we seen make things worse by pitching through injury? How's that working for the Mets?

 

Anyway, yeah thanks Jose.

[southsider2k5]

I know it's a young pitcher who wants to stay in the game, but darnit, I also want my young pitchers to understand that one game does not matter if they hurt themselves. How many guys have we seen make things worse by pitching through injury? How's that working for the Mets?

 

Anyway, yeah thanks Jose.

 

Some guys are more versed in the machismo culture and don't honestly know that it is OK to say that you are hurt. The guy is super young, and this could be a great teaching moment.

[lasttriptotulsa]

Will his production be there at that age though? I'm not too sure about that. The way it's going, Nicky D will be a superior hitter at that point imo. Maybe he'll be a coach by then.

 

I think Jose will be a lifetime sox though. He will have a job with the organization whenever he wants. Kudos to him for being a grade A human being

 

The team will be contending in 2020 and should be at least be semi competitive by 2019. Jose will be all of 32-33 years old. I think he'll be alright. But according to you he's not productive now, so I don't know.

Edited August 18, 2017 by lasttriptotulsa

[chitownsportsfan]

Some guys are more versed in the machismo culture and don't honestly know that it is OK to say that you are hurt. The guy is super young, and this could be a great teaching moment.

 

Plus, it's a minor muscle tweak. Anybody that has ever tweaked a muscle in the middle of a competitive event is loathe to stop as the pain and "injury" really isn't that bad -- and most of us aren't in pro sports. Obviously for a pitcher, the problem is a strain can lead to bad mechanics and more arm stress so good on Jose and Reynaldo for talking it out and being sensible. He should be back in 3-4 weeks if it's just a minor core problem.

[witesoxfan]

When we say that other teams will value Jose Abreu as a 2 WAR 1B who is a good hitter and doesn't do a lot else but the Sox value Jose Abreu as about a 5-6 WAR player and that will be reflected in the asking price for him and that's why it's so unlikely that Abreu will be traded - this is why.

[greg775]

The team will be contending in 2020 and should be at least be semi competitive by 2019. Jose will be all of 32-33 years old. I think he'll be alright. But according to you he's not productive now, so I don't know.

He's not a free agent til after the 2019 season. He makes 11 million this year. If the Sox are truly enjoying the rebuild in terms of saving dollars, wouldn't the front office trade him this winter for 3-4 more can't miss type prospects? Arbitration eligible, you'd figure he will have to be paid at least 15 million in 2018 and 2019. I guess they can make him an offer of 12 million by Dec. 1 but you'd think that's kind of an insult since the payroll is so low. The Sox, who figure to finish last again next year and arguably could suck in 2019, could save about 30 million bucks by trading Jose for prospects. Again, the fans love prospects and in this day and age the front office can play the "decline after the age of 30" card in explaining why they've traded Jose.

Personally I think he should lead the team in 2020 but we are going to find out how much in love Jerry is with making money because Jose is ticketed for a nice payday this offseason. He didn't decide to enter the arbitration system not wanting to get a healthy raise over the projected 11.5 he was gonna make next year.

 

Interesting ... will Jose be traded in a blockbuster this offseason, the argument being he's too old to be part of the rebuilt 2020 contending team?? But the sneaky reason saving cold hard cash?? You go from paying a guy 15 million to paying some replacement 500,000 the next couple seasons. If he's still good you could still try to bring him back via free agency in 2020. Hmmm.

Edited August 18, 2017 by greg775

[jenksycat]

He's not a free agent til after the 2019 season. He makes 11 million this year. If the Sox are truly enjoying the rebuild in terms of saving dollars, wouldn't the front office trade him this winter for 3-4 more can't miss type prospects? Arbitration eligible, you'd figure he will have to be paid at least 15 million in 2018 and 2019. I guess they can make him an offer of 12 million by Dec. 1 but you'd think that's kind of an insult since the payroll is so low. The Sox, who figure to finish last again next year and arguably could suck in 2019, could save about 30 million bucks by trading Jose for prospects. Again, the fans love prospects and in this day and age the front office can play the "decline after the age of 30" card in explaining why they've traded Jose.

Personally I think he should lead the team in 2020 but we are going to find out how much in love Jerry is with making money because Jose is ticketed for a nice payday this offseason. He didn't decide to enter the arbitration system not wanting to get a healthy raise over the projected 11.5 he was gonna make next year.

 

Interesting ... will Jose be traded in a blockbuster this offseason, the argument being he's too old to be part of the rebuilt 2020 contending team?? But the sneaky reason saving cold hard cash?? You go from paying a guy 15 million to paying some replacement 500,000 the next couple seasons. If he's still good you could still try to bring him back via free agency in 2020. Hmmm.

 

Jose Abreu does not return "3-4 can't miss prospects".

[greg775]

Jose Abreu does not return "3-4 can't miss prospects".

.294 with 23 homers, 75 RBI and OBP of .346 this season after three straight 100 RBI seasons. He could have 100 RBI four straight seasons. He's pretty damn special. OK, how bout 2-3 cant miss type prospects?

Edited August 18, 2017 by greg775

[LittleHurt05]

.294 with 23 homers, 75 RBI and OBP of .346 this season after three straight 100 RBI seasons. He could have 100 RBI four straight seasons. He's pretty damn special. OK, how bout 2-3 cant miss type prospects?

 

Chris Sale, a perennial Cy Young candidate with the best contract in all of baseball netted 2 "can't miss" prospects.

[Leonard Zelig]

Has there been an update on Lopez somewhere that I missed?

[Jordan4life_2007]

Chris Sale, a perennial Cy Young candidate with the best contract in all of baseball netted 2 "can't miss" prospects.

 

But he only impacts 1 out of every 5 games.

[jenksycat]

.294 with 23 homers, 75 RBI and OBP of .346 this season after three straight 100 RBI seasons. He could have 100 RBI four straight seasons. He's pretty damn special. OK, how bout 2-3 cant miss type prospects?

 

No, he's not special. He's an aging solid hitting DH who will likely see a steady decline in the coming years.

[Balta1701]

Has there been an update on Lopez somewhere that I missed?

Said his side was sore when he woke up that day, isn't sure what it was, said he expects to make his next start.

[greg775]

No, he's not special. He's an aging solid hitting DH who will likely see a steady decline in the coming years.

I should probably start a Jose appreciation thread to see what everybody thinks but 100 RBI for four straight years if he makes it this year? That to me is pretty special. How many players in Sox history have done that? Is 30 years old really aging now? Is baseball becoming football? 30 used to be prime time for at least 6 more seasons. I'm really not trying to fight. I feel like Jose could be called "special" for sure. Nobody backing me on this? There hasn't been much talk about what kind of money he's gonna get for next season. I would assume 15 million a year would irritate many fans but 12 would be ok since he made 11 this year. I would think if you were ever going to trade him now is the time cause you could always re-sign him in 2020 when the team is good if you want.

Edited August 18, 2017 by greg775

[chitownsportsfan]

Said his side was sore when he woke up that day, isn't sure what it was, said he expects to make his next start.

 

Yea it sounds very minor from the quotes today:

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseb...0817-story.html

 

Renteria didn't speculate whether the soreness would interfere with Lopez's next start, saying only that "fortunately for us, I think he's OK."

 

Lopez thinks he will be able to keep on his schedule.

 

"I told him I can pitch through that soreness," Lopez said through an interpreter. "But Abreu said, 'No, you are young enough. You are going to have a lot more opportunities. This is not a time to mess around with it. Take the rest and get ready for the next start.'"

[witesoxfan]

I should probably start a Jose appreciation thread to see what everybody thinks but 100 RBI for four straight years if he makes it this year? That to me is pretty special. How many players in Sox history have done that? Is 30 years old really aging now? Is baseball becoming football? 30 used to be prime time for at least 6 more seasons. I'm really not trying to fight. I feel like Jose could be called "special" for sure. Nobody backing me on this? There hasn't been much talk about what kind of money he's gonna get for next season. I would assume 15 million a year would irritate many fans but 12 would be ok since he made 11 this year. I would think if you were ever going to trade him now is the time cause you could always re-sign him in 2020 when the team is good if you want.

 

Yes, in fact, baseball is becoming quite a bit more like football. Now that we've moved out of the steroid era, guys playing past 35 and remaining very effective has become much, much more rare. This article was written in 2013 but it's just as valid now as it was 4 years ago. The average age was approximately 30 years old in 2002 and that age dropped to 26 in 2012. It has probably remained at about that age overall.

 

Guys just can't play that long without some help.

 

Beyond that, no, Jose Abreu is not a super special player. He is a good hitter who does not play very good defense. Leadership like his is not valued in the trade market because the leadership he provides the White Sox super young ballclub is not equal to the value it would offer in a clubhouse like the Red Sox.

[Dick Allen]

Yes, in fact, baseball is becoming quite a bit more like football. Now that we've moved out of the steroid era, guys playing past 35 and remaining very effective has become much, much more rare. This article was written in 2013 but it's just as valid now as it was 4 years ago. The average age was approximately 30 years old in 2002 and that age dropped to 26 in 2012. It has probably remained at about that age overall.

 

Guys just can't play that long without some help.

 

Beyond that, no, Jose Abreu is not a super special player. He is a good hitter who does not play very good defense. Leadership like his is not valued in the trade market because the leadership he provides the White Sox super young ballclub is not equal to the value it would offer in a clubhouse like the Red Sox.

Funny thing is, before the steroid era, many played until they were 40 or so. I personally think the big thing is velocity. It's one thing a 38-42 year old hitting 92 MPH gas, it's another if it's 97. And pitchers topping off at 92 better have pinpoint control or some great offspeed stuff.

 

Pitches are being thrown a lot faster than they used to be thrown IMO.

[Quin]

Jose is the type of guy I can see being productive into his late 30s.

[Balta1701]

Jose is the type of guy I can see being productive into his late 30s.

We've seen him have enough nagging health problems from the moment he signed with us that I'm skeptical about that. Wouldn't be stunned, but skeptical.

[BlackSox13]

Funny thing is, before the steroid era, many played until they were 40 or so. I personally think the big thing is velocity. It's one thing a 38-42 year old hitting 92 MPH gas, it's another if it's 97. And pitchers topping off at 92 better have pinpoint control or some great offspeed stuff.

 

Pitches are being thrown a lot faster than they used to be thrown IMO.

I was watching a game on ESPN recently and they touched on this. There are more pitchers throwing mid to high nineties now more than as starters and relievers. That's going to make it very difficult on the aging veterans that don't react as quick as they did when younger.

 

When Paulie first came up he could just react and turn on an upper nineties fastball without a problem but later in his career he had to cheat and guess fastball to keep up with those.

 

 

[witesoxfan]

I was watching a game on ESPN recently and they touched on this. There are more pitchers throwing mid to high nineties now more than as starters and relievers. That's going to make it very difficult on the aging veterans that don't react as quick as they did when younger.

 

When Paulie first came up he could just react and turn on an upper nineties fastball without a problem but later in his career he had to cheat and guess fastball to keep up with those.

 

Which leaves you susceptible to pitches down and away. It's a natural part of life.

[LittleHurt05]

We've seen him have enough nagging health problems from the moment he signed with us that I'm skeptical about that. Wouldn't be stunned, but skeptical.

 

Yeah, I envision Albert Pujols, but hope I'm wrong. It does help Jose that the played so many years in Cuba with much shorter seasons.

[greg775]

Beyond that, no, Jose Abreu is not a super special player. He is a good hitter who does not play very good defense.

Please do not consider this a fight. I really don't want to get in a fight about this. But I have a followup question/point. If he gets his 100 RBI for four seasons ... don't you think if a Rutherford, Robert, Eloy do that we'll be considering them stars? Just because they are the unknown prospects? I think Jose, who has been around here a while, is taken for granted somewhat. I consider him a star. His conventional numbers the last four years are pretty damn nice.

That's interesting without steroids 30 is real real old now. I'm surprised the union, considering that, has agreed for its players to wait as long as they have to, to become free agents. I would think they'd want free agency much sooner considering careers are gonna be much shorter from now on.

[Balta1701]

@scottmerkin

Reynaldo Lopez to the DL with a strained back. RHP Danny Farquhar has his contract purchased from Triple-A Charlotte.

 

@scottmerkin

10m

Renteria/Cooper didn't seem worried about Lopez's side soreness but literally no reason to take a chance.

 

[Balta1701]

ChrisKuc

24m

Reynaldo Lopez is expected to return to the #WhiteSox rotation Friday against the Rays

 

@CST_soxvan

Renteria all but said Reynaldo Lopez will start Friday in Chicago vs. Rays. "Tentatively looks like it might be Lopey,'' he said.

 

Lopey?