Chicago White Sox Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 QUOTE (Lillian @ Aug 26, 2017 -> 12:32 PM) Wow, really? I'm surprised that it would require that much. That hurts. Maybe a qualifying offer isn't such a good idea, after all. I wonder if that isn't negatively affecting any current trade negotiations. Why would it hurt trade negotiations? No one would ever consider giving him a QO so it's a non-issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Aug 26, 2017 -> 11:44 AM) Why would it hurt trade negotiations? No one would ever consider giving him a QO so it's a non-issue. If a team is considering their options, once the season is over, it might diminish his perceived value to them, in that they would not get a draft pick, unless they were willing to make that kind of qualifying offer. So, it means they would receive no additional value, beyond his contribution, during the next month and a half. Is that not a valid consideration? I don't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 A player is only eligible for a qualifying offer if they remain with 1 team the entire season. Once they are traded, they are no longer eligible for the offer. This does not affect Gonzalez's trade value one bit. Frankly, Miguel Gonzalez is likely a 5th starter at best, and the Sox just haven't gotten the offer they want yet. There's no rush. He just has to be gone by midnight on August 31st, which means he must be traded on or prior to August 30th. If he is traded on August 31st, he is not eligible for the postseason, which doesn't mean he can't be traded, but it would greatly diminish the need for a team to trade for him, and greatly diminishes his overall value. http://m.mlb.com/glossary/transactions/pos...son-eligibility Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Aug 26, 2017 -> 11:57 AM) A player is only eligible for a qualifying offer if they remain with 1 team the entire season. Once they are traded, they are no longer eligible for the offer. This does not affect Gonzalez's trade value one bit. Frankly, Miguel Gonzalez is likely a 5th starter at best, and the Sox just haven't gotten the offer they want yet. There's no rush. He just has to be gone by midnight on August 31st, which means he must be traded on or prior to August 30th. If he is traded on August 31st, he is not eligible for the postseason, which doesn't mean he can't be traded, but it would greatly diminish the need for a team to trade for him, and greatly diminishes his overall value. http://m.mlb.com/glossary/transactions/pos...son-eligibility Thanks for the clarification. I didn't know that. Since coming off the DL, he has held the opposition to 1 or fewer earned runs in 5 of the 8 starts, while going at least 6 innings, in all but one of those games. Only one of those 8 starts was not a "quality start". Wouldn't you think that someone could really use him, for the stretch run? We may be surprised at how good of a return the Sox get for him, if he is traded before the 31ST. Edited August 26, 2017 by Lillian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 QUOTE (Lillian @ Aug 26, 2017 -> 01:01 PM) Thanks for the clarification. I didn't know that. Since coming off the DL, he has held the opposition to 1 or fewer earned runs in 5 of the 8 starts, while going at least 6 innings, in all but one of those games. Only one of those 8 starts was not a "quality start". Wouldn't you think that someone could really use him, for the stretch run? We may be surprised at how good of a return the Sox get for him, if he is traded before the 31ST. I think they'll get something for him, probably a PTBNL or cash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPR Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 I hope this guy is back on the south side next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 Today is probably the realistic deadline and I haven't even seen a rumor. Have any of you heard anything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 QUOTE (JPR @ Aug 27, 2017 -> 06:25 PM) I hope this guy is back on the south side next season. Trade him and then bring him back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 (edited) I don't think he's particularly great, but he's certainly better than some pitchers on wild card contending rotations...and he's currently pitching a lot better than that. All I can figure is that Hahn wants something of legit value for him - a reasonable "lottery ticket"...and I agree with Hahn on that. Edited August 30, 2017 by GreenSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Aug 30, 2017 -> 07:53 AM) Trade him and then bring him back. If anyone wanted him, he would be gone by now. I could be shocked in the next 30 hours, but I am guessing he is ours until October. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 Crazy that no one was taking him while he's on this run Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 It would be cool if he puts up 6-7 good innings tomorrow afternoon, and gets traded before they fly back to Chicago. To be eligible for the postseason, trades have to be completed by 11pm central tomorrow night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 QUOTE (flavum @ Aug 30, 2017 -> 10:27 AM) It would be cool if he puts up 6-7 good innings tomorrow afternoon, and gets traded before they fly back to Chicago. To be eligible for the postseason, trades have to be completed by 11pm central tomorrow night. It's possible a team could trade for him without actually wanting to use him in the playoffs. If he's an improvement over a team's 5th starter, you still want him to take the ball every 5 days until the post-season. 5th starters in the playoffs are likely in the pen or left off the roster completely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxtalker999 Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Aug 30, 2017 -> 08:05 AM) I don't think he's particularly great, but he's certainly better than some pitchers on wild card contending rotations...and he's currently pitching a lot better than that. All I can figure is that Hahn wants something of legit value for him - a reasonable "lottery ticket"...and I agree with Hahn on that. Yes, and, like many decisions/negotiations, things tend to happen at the last minute. In this case, that's tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 If there really is a "100% chance" MiGo gets traded, today is the day... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Aug 31, 2017 -> 10:23 AM) If there really is a "100% chance" MiGo gets traded, today is the day... MY guess is that if the Sox thought there was any chance he'd be moved today, he would not be pitching today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Aug 31, 2017 -> 10:25 AM) MY guess is that if the Sox thought there was any chance he'd be moved today, he would not be pitching today. Bingo. He would have been long since gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 Daryl Van SchouwenVerified account @CST_soxvan Renteria surprised Miguel Gonzalez not yet dealt to contender. "It's still not midnight yet. I wouldn't be surprised if something happens" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 Mid-game Hugwatch. Spicy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 MiGo to the Rangers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 QUOTE (iamshack @ Aug 31, 2017 -> 10:45 PM) MiGo to the Rangers QUICK! TO THEIR PROSPECT LISTS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 No word on return. Orioles were close to acquiring him so there was a market. Hope for the best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
credezcrew24 Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Aug 31, 2017 -> 07:50 PM) No word on return. Orioles were close to acquiring him so there was a market. Hope for the best Do we know for a fact that he cleared waivers? Texas would have had priory over Baltimore on a claim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenksycat Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 Weird, can't be for more than a bag of balls at this point to a team barely hanging on the wild card race that traded a top starter earlier in the year. At least this helps prevent slipping out of the top 3 pick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RudyLawRules Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 INF Tiquan Forbes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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