southsider2k5 Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 MLB Trade Rumors @mlbtraderumors 21m21 minutes ago Tigers In "Active Discussions" On Justin Verlander Trade Possibilities https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/08/tigers-in-active-discussions-on-justin-verlander-trade-possibilities.html …://https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017...bilities.html … Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 To Astros! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
credezcrew24 Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 That's a much better return than I expected Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconOnAStick Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 Franklin Perez, Daz Cameron and Jake Rogers the return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 Like the trade on both ends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanne Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 QUOTE (Alexeihyeess @ Aug 31, 2017 -> 10:44 PM) Franklin Perez, Daz Cameron and Jake Rogers the return. huh...just read that's Mike Cameron's kid. Damn I feel old.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 QUOTE (credezcrew24 @ Aug 31, 2017 -> 11:42 PM) That's a much better return than I expected Yep. Nice deal (unfortunately) for Detroit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTruth05 Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 So did he actually reject the trade at first then accepted or was that just speculation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iWiN4PreP Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 That's a pretty hefty return for Detroit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 I absolutely love that this is how the Astros choose to trade their prospects and blow their money on. Hardly the END of the world for them or anything, but man they had many other easier options out there. I hope they lose so bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Sep 1, 2017 -> 06:59 AM) I absolutely love that this is how the Astros choose to trade their prospects and blow their money on. Hardly the END of the world for them or anything, but man they had many other easier options out there. I hope they lose so bad. They also would have had to given away a lot more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 1, 2017 Author Share Posted September 1, 2017 Last I saw he had rejected the trade. Crazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump Verlander is great but very beatable. Does not have a good ERA in playoff games 9:12 AM - 16 Oct 2012 https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/...208796839657472 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 And a Texas team bails the Tigers out of another albatross contract. This sucks. They're supposed to have to suffer for the win-now moves, but they keep finding someone to overpay for the back ends of these contracts. What's next, a legit prospect for Jordan Zimmermann? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Sep 1, 2017 -> 08:49 AM) And a Texas team bails the Tigers out of another albatross contract. This sucks. They're supposed to have to suffer for the win-now moves, but they keep finding someone to overpay for the back ends of these contracts. What's next, a legit prospect for Jordan Zimmermann? With that prospect return my guess is that Tigers are paying a nice chunk of money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Sep 1, 2017 -> 06:49 AM) And a Texas team bails the Tigers out of another albatross contract. This sucks. They're supposed to have to suffer for the win-now moves, but they keep finding someone to overpay for the back ends of these contracts. What's next, a legit prospect for Jordan Zimmermann? Is that really an albatross contract? He's been worth every bit of it, even last year and this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Sep 1, 2017 -> 08:59 AM) With that prospect return my guess is that Tigers are paying a nice chunk of money. Tigers are paying $8 million a year for the next two seasons, so Astros owe him $20m/year, instead of $28m Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 Verlander at this year verlander is worth 20 mill. Can't believe how much Tigers got back for him, honestly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 1, 2017 Author Share Posted September 1, 2017 QUOTE (bmags @ Sep 1, 2017 -> 09:18 AM) Verlander at this year verlander is worth 20 mill. Can't believe how much Tigers got back for him, honestly. It is odd how much the Tigers value prospects over cash. It wouldn't have taken that much more to get a guy without nearly as much of a contract around his neck, much younger, and probably with a better future in front of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTruth05 Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 Also to that point, it's nice when guys perform enough value of their albatross contracts to at least unload them. Wish Shields hit a second wind and gave a good 1st half to get him outta here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 1, 2017 -> 09:20 AM) It is odd how much the Tigers value prospects over cash. It wouldn't have taken that much more to get a guy without nearly as much of a contract around his neck, much younger, and probably with a better future in front of him. I don't think that's quite accurate. I think the tigers are just over that threshold of where you need to be Dodgers level wealthy to have as much dead cash as that. Once they hit a certain level I think they operate closer. They also were bat heavy in a time of pitcher demand. Castellanos would be ideal in a certain market. But for Verlander and Wilson I think they did well. Missed the boat with Fulmer though. Most of the big horses have cashed out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 QUOTE (bmags @ Sep 1, 2017 -> 07:18 AM) Verlander at this year verlander is worth 20 mill. Can't believe how much Tigers got back for him, honestly. I think he's worth more than that...he's on pace for nearly 4 fwar. Now build in some playoff starts/value his postseason experience. It isn't an albatross contract. It's fair value. This was a nice deal for Detroit, don't get me wrong, but they didn't trade some guy who didn't have value himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 Detroit did way better than I thought they would, and didn't even have to eat all that much money either, that's disappointing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Sep 1, 2017 -> 04:59 AM) I absolutely love that this is how the Astros choose to trade their prospects and blow their money on. Hardly the END of the world for them or anything, but man they had many other easier options out there. I hope they lose so bad. I actually think in hindsight, they did well getting Verlander and they got him just in the nick of time. They gave up some talent, but I like what we got from the Cubs more. That said, Tigers did well. I wonder if Harvey played into this at all and the Astros front office decided they wanted to make a major push to try and create something for Houston to be excited for (in the midst of all the tragedy and what will be a long recovery). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 1, 2017 Author Share Posted September 1, 2017 QUOTE (bmags @ Sep 1, 2017 -> 09:26 AM) I don't think that's quite accurate. I think the tigers are just over that threshold of where you need to be Dodgers level wealthy to have as much dead cash as that. Once they hit a certain level I think they operate closer. They also were bat heavy in a time of pitcher demand. Castellanos would be ideal in a certain market. But for Verlander and Wilson I think they did well. Missed the boat with Fulmer though. Most of the big horses have cashed out. Yeah, I said Tigers, I meant Astros. Houston seems to value their prospects way higher than money. It wouldn't have taken much more prospects to land them a Gray or Quintana, but they didn't. Instead they got an older and way more expensive pitcher who has had some pretty bad years recently, who is signed up for a really long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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