Trade avi in the offseason?

[ron883]

Do the Sox sell high in Avi while his value is high? Does any team give up some top prospects for him? I think the Sox should sell high in him if possible and see if you can bet a top 100 prospect+

[Dominikk85]

If there is a semi decent offer he will be traded.however of course the market for corner type players is terrible currently so I doubt it will be a top100 prospect.

 

I would be ok with a 45 prospect (maybe a high velo future relief arm) and maybe a long shot lotto ticket.

[Soxfest]

AG not bringing much back in a trade.

[Southwest Sider]

I think the potential upside to Avi continuing to do what he's doing is worth more than a relief arm and a lotto ticket. I only trade him in the offseason if an offer bowls me over. If not, I am more than happy to roll the dice and see what we get out of him next year. If he keeps hitting like this, his value only goes up. Perhaps next years trade deadline would be a more appropriate setting. Even if the right offer never comes along, all things remaining equal he could be a nice piece to have on the next competitive Sox team. It'd be nice to see the Sox patience with him pay off.

[BaconOnAStick]

Not a whole lot available in FA this offseason at the corner OF spots. Avi has more value than you guys are letting on. If all they're gonna get is another Cordell/Gillaspie type then forget about it, I'd rather keep him. But for a top 75 tier prospect it makes a lot sense. We'll see.

[flavum]

I think the potential upside to Avi continuing to do what he's doing is worth more than a relief arm and a lotto ticket. I only trade him in the offseason if an offer bowls me over. If not, I am more than happy to roll the dice and see what we get out of him next year. If he keeps hitting like this, his value only goes up. Perhaps next years trade deadline would be a more appropriate setting. Even if the right offer never comes along, all things remaining equal he could be a nice piece to have on the next competitive Sox team. It'd be nice to see the Sox patience with him pay off.

 

I agree with this.

 

The only thing I wouldn't do with Avi now is extend him.

[Soha]

If the Sox are trying to move him, that's going to be a red flag to any team interested in him. Because he's young and should be exactly what they want moving towards the future, no?

 

I would try to re-sign him. See if he'll bite on a 5 year deal for like 70 mil?

 

I love the idea of an outfield a few years from now of Eloy in LF, Robert in CF and Avi in RF. That's some serious potential hitting.

[BlackSox13]

Avi doesn't have the trade value yet. If the idea is to trade Avi then give him all of the 2018 season to boost his stock and then dangle him on the trade market over the 2018/19 winter as a much cheaper alternative to signing Harper. If the idea is to keep Avi long term, let's see how he performs next year and go from there.

 

Great thing about Avi is that there's no pressure to trade or extend him. Just wait and see..

[Soha]

He's got two more years of arbitration. In 1400 AB's, Avi Garcia has been a very poor hitter. In 420 AB's this season, he's been great. A contract at 5/70 seems like an unnecessary risk for a guy like Avi. If he does this next year, a long term deal seems a little more fitting.

 

Because of all that said, I also don't think the value for Avi would be that high on the trade market. Based on where the rebuild is, and 2019 seemingly like a year that could be some fun, I don't have a problem with the Sox really seeing what they have with Avi in 2018, then deciding what route they want to go with him.

 

 

My thinking is that if he repeats this season next year - then the number he asks for is in the 20-25 mil range. Because he's absolutely played like a 20+ mil player this year, and a year from now he will be on the cusp of free agency.

 

But if they can get him to sign for less than 5 years at 70 mil, then awesome. I'd just hate to see the guy go right after he finally put it all together. I don't have enough confidence in Blake Rutherford that he will ever be the hitter Avi is.

[flavum]

The more I think about this, the more I hope they find a way to trade him this offseason. I could see the Marlins or Cardinals having room for him next season. Kinda depends on what the Marlins new ownership wants to do.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

Avi doesn't have the trade value yet. If the idea is to trade Avi then give him all of the 2018 season to boost his stock and then dangle him on the trade market over the 2018/19 winter as a much cheaper alternative to signing Harper. If the idea is to keep Avi long term, let's see how he performs next year and go from there.

 

Great thing about Avi is that there's no pressure to trade or extend him. Just wait and see..

Couldn't have said it better. Even being Avi's biggest supporter it would be wrong to extend him based on one good year . They jumped the gun on Anderson and it still may work out but still need a larger body of good performance to extend him.

[soxforlife05]

If the Sox are trying to move him, that's going to be a red flag to any team interested in him. Because he's young and should be exactly what they want moving towards the future, no?

 

I would try to re-sign him. See if he'll bite on a 5 year deal for like 70 mil?

 

I love the idea of an outfield a few years from now of Eloy in LF, Robert in CF and Avi in RF. That's some serious potential hitting.

 

We took other teams red flags in Giolito and Moncada. What's your point? Teams have guys rated differently. Kind of like SD who had Shields rated as a radioactive gas can who gives up home runs to Bartolo Colon but the White Sox saw a top of the rotation starter.

[greg775]

Couldn't have said it better. Even being Avi's biggest supporter it would be wrong to extend him based on one good year . They jumped the gun on Anderson and it still may work out but still need a larger body of good performance to extend him.

I don't know why you guys worry about spending Jerry's money so much. He'll be fine. Offer Avi 5 year extension at 75 million. If 15 mill a year isn't good enough, then let him walk when he's a free agent. But other than that, why not? He and Abreu will be nice pieces when we are good and NEED some true White Sox vets on the team!!

 

You know .... you can let some guys walk. The Royals are doing it this year, letting Cain, Moose, Hosmer, Escobar, at least 3 of 'em walk. No sin in keeping Avi and seeing what happens during his FA year. If he won't take 14 or 15 mill a year for 5 year extension.

Jerry must love you guys who hate spending his money.

Edited September 4, 2017 by greg775

[Jordan4life_2007]

I don't know why you guys worry about spending Jerry's money so much. He'll be fine. Offer Avi 5 year extension at 75 million. If 15 mill a year isn't good enough, then let him walk when he's a free agent. But other than that, why not? He and Abreu will be nice pieces when we are good and NEED some true White Sox vets on the team!!

 

You know .... you can let some guys walk. The Royals are doing it this year, letting Cain, Moose, Hosmer, Escobar, at least 3 of 'em walk. No sin in keeping Avi and seeing what happens during his FA year. If he won't take 14 or 15 mill a year for 5 year extension.

Jerry must love you guys who hate spending his money.

 

[greg775]

You don't think he's worthy of that?? That's peanuts today. That's Melky money. Are you saying 5/75 is way too much? You would go for 5/50? 5/60? He's not worth 10-15 mill a year in today's economy? Is that based only on the advanced stats?

[hi8is]

Avi doesn't have the trade value yet. If the idea is to trade Avi then give him all of the 2018 season to boost his stock and then dangle him on the trade market over the 2018/19 winter as a much cheaper alternative to signing Harper. If the idea is to keep Avi long term, let's see how he performs next year and go from there.

 

Great thing about Avi is that there's no pressure to trade or extend him. Just wait and see..

This is likely the best post you've made here. ????

[Jordan4life_2007]

You don't think he's worthy of that?? That's peanuts today. That's Melky money. Are you saying 5/75 is way too much? You would go for 5/50? 5/60? He's not worth 10-15 mill a year in today's economy? Is that based only on the advanced stats?

 

No, I don't think he's worthy of that. You just don't recklessly hand out a 5-year extension to a 26-year old that's having his first productive full season after multiple years of below average replacement level production because it's "not our money." At least that's not how smart organizations run their operations.

[Soha]

No, I don't think he's worthy of that. You just don't recklessly hand out a 5-year extension to a 26-year old that's having his first productive full season after multiple years of below average replacement level production because it's "not our money." At least that's not how smart organizations run their operations.

 

The idea of extending him now is if one thinks he might be a good player in to the future. If it's felt this year is a fluke that he won't repeat, then yeah you don't extend him.

 

But if you think this year might be repeated. Then he will want and get 20 mil+ per season if you wait until he proves it next year. These types of gambling deals are what the Sox do...they gamble a bit on guys and their future. Sometimes they work out (Sale, Quintana, Eaton, etc.)...sometimes maybe they don't (TA maybe, but there's still time?).

 

Maybe 5/75 is a tad rich, but I think it's close. Try 5/50 or 5/60 maybe. Avi might bite and take the lifetime security? He also has said he wants to stay here. Signing this type of deal would probably be his only chance to stay with the Sox through the rebuild.

[BlackSox13]

Couldn't have said it better. Even being Avi's biggest supporter it would be wrong to extend him based on one good year . They jumped the gun on Anderson and it still may work out but still need a larger body of good performance to extend him.

Exactly. If giving Anderson an extension was premature then how would giving Avi an extension be any different? Sure, waiting one more season could cost more money but payroll isn't too much of a factor considering the last time I looked ( last week ) the Sox were projected to have a 15-16M payroll. I won't worry one bit if waiting costs the Sox a few more bucks.

[BlackSox13]

This is likely the best post you've made here. ????

Even better than when I assist you in poop posting? That is impressive.

[WBWSF]

Avi becomes a free agent at the end of the 2019 season. If Hahn doesn't sign him to a long term contract this off season it presents some bad possibilities. Lets say Avi has another good season in 2018 and he's not signed to a long term contract. He'll be looking at some serious money once he becomes a free agent after 2019. There's no way Hahn/JR is going to give Avi a gigantic contract. Everything points to him being traded this off season. I keep hearing that the 2018 team payroll will be less than $40 million dollars. Low payroll=more profits=more moola in JRs pocket.

[iWiN4PreP]

Pretty simple overall,

 

You make him available for a very high price. If any team buys --> you accept, if there's not a suitor, you keep him.

 

His contract situation and time when he becomes a free agent is the thing that is concerning. He has proven this year that he can be extremely valuable if this is the type of player he is. So, patience is the best bet now.

[Lip Man 1]

Avi becomes a free agent at the end of the 2019 season. If Hahn doesn't sign him to a long term contract this off season it presents some bad possibilities. Lets say Avi has another good season in 2018 and he's not signed to a long term contract. He'll be looking at some serious money once he becomes a free agent after 2019. There's no way Hahn/JR is going to give Avi a gigantic contract. Everything points to him being traded this off season. I keep hearing that the 2018 team payroll will be less than $40 million dollars. Low payroll=more profits=more moola in JRs pocket.

 

 

Right (sarcasm implied) Do you really believe the stuff you write or are you just trying to get a rise out of people?

[WBWSF]

I absolutely believe that JR cares about nothing but moola. He use to talk in the past how profitable it was to own the White Sox with a low payroll. And believe me the team will have a very low payroll in 2018. If you think my comments are bad about JR, you should hear the comments of people I know who are Bulls season ticket holders. My comments are tame compared to theirs.

[sin city sox fan]

You don't think he's worthy of that?? That's peanuts today. That's Melky money. Are you saying 5/75 is way too much? You would go for 5/50? 5/60? He's not worth 10-15 mill a year in today's economy? Is that based only on the advanced stats?

 

These figures are all low....I don't see anyway he's signing for less than $20 million per year. Perhaps start with an offer of 6 years / $108 million with the intention of settling somewhere in the neighborhood of 7 years / $154 million.

 

And you don't trade him.....I'd hate to see him enter the HOF wearing any other cap than the White Sox.