Soha Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Oct 7, 2017 -> 03:21 AM) He's giving up nearly $200 million to get here 2 years earlier. Comparatively, the difference between $300K and $8 million is nothing. Comparatively maybe. But in real life, the difference between 300k and $8 mil is being rich or not being rich. It's not happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 QUOTE (Soha @ Oct 7, 2017 -> 09:04 AM) Comparatively maybe. But in real life, the difference between 300k and $8 mil is being rich or not being rich. It's not happening. He's already made several million dollars. It isn't like he's working for minimum wage over in Japan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 QUOTE (iamshack @ Oct 7, 2017 -> 11:38 AM) He's already made several million dollars. It isn't like he's working for minimum wage over in Japan. Yep. I think it's obvious a few people haven't read the posted article. Otani put his parents in charge of his finances and his mother deposits 1K per month in his personal account and she said he doesn't spend much of it. Money is not his clearly not his motive, his love of baseball is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 So let's say this guy may have made 8 mil in his career. Do you honestly think we don't aim to double his wealth as opposed to making a mere 300k? I can't think of any example where a player who has made as little as he has so far taking such a monster pay cut. It isn't happening unless there is a handshake deal in place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 QUOTE (ron883 @ Oct 7, 2017 -> 02:26 PM) So let's say this guy may have made 8 mil in his career. Do you honestly think we don't aim to double his wealth as opposed to making a mere 300k? I can't think of any example where a player who has made as little as he has so far taking such a monster pay cut. It isn't happening unless there is a handshake deal in place I'm sure every team would like to offer more than they're allotment but MLB has stated they will be following this very closely. The most recent example of how closely MLB is following things is the Braves and Maitan. If Otani believes in his abilities ( surely he does ) then taking the 300K to sign won't be a big deal for him. He'll make league minimum (500K+) for the first three years and then he'll begin his arbitration years which he will make much much more than he currently does ( 2M ) in the NPB. Why should the pay cut matter to player that makes 2M per year and lives on less than 1K per month? Again, money is not his motivation. His love of baseball and getting into the MLB is. That's why I feel things like location, the cities culture, a team's past/present with Japanese players and the state of the team ( contender/rebuild) could be the factors that helps him decide where he chooses to sign. I think he ends up with a west coast team, we'll see what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soha Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Oct 7, 2017 -> 03:43 PM) I'm sure every team would like to offer more than they're allotment but MLB has stated they will be following this very closely. The most recent example of how closely MLB is following things is the Braves and Maitan. If Otani believes in his abilities ( surely he does ) then taking the 300K to sign won't be a big deal for him. He'll make league minimum (500K+) for the first three years and then he'll begin his arbitration years which he will make much much more than he currently does ( 2M ) in the NPB. Why should the pay cut matter to player that makes 2M per year and lives on less than 1K per month? Again, money is not his motivation. His love of baseball and getting into the MLB is. That's why I feel things like location, the cities culture, a team's past/present with Japanese players and the state of the team ( contender/rebuild) could be the factors that helps him decide where he chooses to sign. I think he ends up with a west coast team, we'll see what happens. Well you said one thing I agree with at least. He probably will lean towards a west coast team. It's not going to be the White Sox though. There's zero reasons for him to sign here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 QUOTE (ron883 @ Oct 7, 2017 -> 02:26 PM) So let's say this guy may have made 8 mil in his career. Do you honestly think we don't aim to double his wealth as opposed to making a mere 300k? I can't think of any example where a player who has made as little as he has so far taking such a monster pay cut. It isn't happening unless there is a handshake deal in place Again, read the initial article about him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 29, 2017 -> 05:33 PM) Really interesting read on the kid, especially his view on money. http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-shohei...-htmlstory.html One more time around. Edit: this really gives some good insight into the kind of person Otani is. I'll be a fan wherever he signs. Edited October 7, 2017 by BlackSox13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Oct 7, 2017 -> 06:10 PM) One more time around. Edit: this really gives some good insight into the kind of person Otani is. I'll be a fan wherever he signs. Seems to have an injury history. I wonder how he'll hold up during an MLB season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 QUOTE (ptatc @ Oct 7, 2017 -> 07:22 PM) Seems to have an injury history. I wonder how he'll hold up during an MLB season? Good question. One concern, as with any Japanese pitcher, is adjusting from pitching once a week to every fifth game. I do wonder how teams feel about his desire to be a two way player in the MLB. Personally, I wouldn't let that deter me since the initial cost is peanuts compared to the cost of previous Japanese players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 Shack, after reading that article I now change my stance from "not" to "you're saying .there's a chance. #MaitanOtani2k18Offseason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 QUOTE (Quin @ Oct 8, 2017 -> 12:58 AM) Shack, after reading that article I now change my stance from "not" to "you're saying .there's a chance. #MaitanOtani2k18Offseason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 QUOTE (hi8is @ Oct 8, 2017 -> 03:03 AM) I can safely say if Hahn pulled THAT off SoxTalk would crash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 QUOTE (Quin @ Oct 8, 2017 -> 11:54 AM) I can safely say if Hahn pulled THAT off SoxTalk would crash. No doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 Otani to have ankle surgery. https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/10/shoh...le-surgery.html Guy should probably just wait a couple years and get healthy and dominate more in that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Oct 11, 2017 -> 12:30 PM) Otani to have ankle surgery. https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/10/shoh...le-surgery.html Guy should probably just wait a couple years and get healthy and dominate more in that time. Can't imagine it'll affect his decision much. He doesn't stand to lose any money from posting after surgery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 Send Hermie and Coop to Japan, asap! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenksycat Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Oct 11, 2017 -> 03:19 PM) Can't imagine it'll affect his decision much. He doesn't stand to lose any money from posting after surgery. If he doesn't wait till he's 25 we're talking tens of millions in lost money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Oct 11, 2017 -> 05:46 PM) If he doesn't wait till he's 25 we're talking tens of millions in lost money. Hundreds, not tens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenksycat Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Oct 11, 2017 -> 07:50 PM) Hundreds, not tens. 200 mil = 20 tens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Oct 11, 2017 -> 08:00 PM) 200 mil = 20 tens Or 2 hundreds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Oct 11, 2017 -> 08:00 PM) 200 mil = 20 tens Or 200,000,000 $1s. So he's only losing some amount of single dollars by coming now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Oct 11, 2017 -> 08:00 PM) 200 mil = 20 tens So tens of tens. Smdh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Oct 11, 2017 -> 05:46 PM) If he doesn't wait till he's 25 we're talking tens of millions in lost money. Right but we've long ago established that he already decided to do exactly that. My point is that if he was going to come over already and accept $4mm instead of hold out for $200mm, then the fact that he is having ankle surgery shouldn't make it any less likely. He isn't going to get lower offers this year because of the injury. His earning potential is already capped at 5-10% of his market value -- no team is going to be like "well we were going to give you $5mm, but now that you're hurt, we're only gonna go to $2mm." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenksycat Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Oct 12, 2017 -> 02:24 PM) Right but we've long ago established that he already decided to do exactly that. My point is that if he was going to come over already and accept $4mm instead of hold out for $200mm, then the fact that he is having ankle surgery shouldn't make it any less likely. He isn't going to get lower offers this year because of the injury. His earning potential is already capped at 5-10% of his market value -- no team is going to be like "well we were going to give you $5mm, but now that you're hurt, we're only gonna go to $2mm." How long is the recovery time from the surgery? If he's going to end up missing most of next season why not just wait it out at that point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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