Thad Bosley Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 QUOTE (ptatc @ Sep 20, 2017 -> 11:42 PM) Blemish. That was a great move by them. They have a stadium and didn't pay for it. Imagine the payroll for the players if the sox were paying for the stadium as well. that's like blaming the players for the money the owners give them. You get what you can get when you can get it. Wow, talk about sugarcoating. Geesh! This post takes the cake. Well, you can spin it any way you like, but the fact remains: Blackmail = Blemish The owners taking actions that diverted even one penny of taxpayer money away from needs immensely greater than guaranteeing owner profits is an absolute black eye on the franchise’s history. The politicians may have allowed it, but they didn’t ask for it. As for “get what you can get when you can get it”, sure, why not. Next time you are at the grocery store and the cashier turns his head, grab as many items as you can hold and run out of the store without paying for them. That would be the same “great move” by you as the one you credit the owners with related to the stadium extortion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Sep 23, 2017 -> 07:08 AM) Wow, talk about sugarcoating. Geesh! This post takes the cake. Well, you can spin it any way you like, but the fact remains: Blackmail = Blemish The owners taking actions that diverted even one penny of taxpayer money away from needs immensely greater than guaranteeing owner profits is an absolute black eye on the franchise’s history. The politicians may have allowed it, but they didn’t ask for it. As for “get what you can get when you can get it”, sure, why not. Next time you are at the grocery store and the cashier turns his head, grab as many items as you can hold and run out of the store without paying for them. That would be the same “great move” by you as the one you credit the owners with related to the stadium extortion. Have you ever negotiated a sale or purchase of a house or a car or anything else, and received a better deal because of it? If so, I wonder how you live with those blemishes every day. Your unabashed hatred of Reinsdorf makes you post really ridiculous things. Now the guy isn't supposed to negotiate what is best for him and his company, the state should have said no, and let him go. That is not on him. But public stadiums weren't unique to JR then, and they aren't now. At least for the most part, this wasn't financed by everyone in IL. It is financed by a hotel tax which theoretically pins the cost on visitors, although it is a tax that could have been spent on a lot of other things for the greater good. But many businesses get tons of tax breaks and other incentives to operate their business in Chicago. Look what Boeing got How does their presence in Chicago help you or me? Edited September 23, 2017 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thad Bosley Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 23, 2017 -> 06:14 AM) Have you ever negotiated a sale or purchase of a house or a car or anything else, and received a better deal because of it? If so, I wonder how you live with those blemishes every day. Your unabashed hatred of Reinsdorf makes you post really ridiculous things. Now the guy isn't supposed to negotiate what is best for him and his company, the state should have said no, and let him go. That is not on him. But public stadiums weren't unique to JR then, and they aren't now. At least for the most part, this wasn't financed by everyone in IL. It is financed by a hotel tax which theoretically pins the cost on visitors, although it is a tax that could have been spent on a lot of other things for the greater good. But many businesses get tons of tax breaks and other incentives to operate their business in Chicago. Look what Boeing got How does their presence in Chicago help you or me? Nice try. The only ridiculous posts are ones like this one which try and mask the undeniable truth about the stadium extortion inflicted upon the state by the Sox owners. We are not talking about negotiating a sale or purchase. We are talking about blackmail in its purest form, plain and simple. That is what went down to force the state to finance the stadium construction, and you know it. And your unabashed hatred of my posts pointing out these facts doesn’t change a thing in this regard. Edited September 23, 2017 by Thad Bosley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Sep 23, 2017 -> 07:29 AM) Nice try. The only ridiculous posts are ones like this one which try and mask the undeniable truth about the stadium extortion inflicted upon the state by the Sox owners. We are not talking about negotiating a sale or purchase. We are talking about blackmail in its purest form, plain and simple. That is what went down to force the state to finance the stadium construction, and you know it. And your unabashed hatred of my posts pointing out these facts doesn’t change a thing in this regard. Get help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thad Bosley Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 23, 2017 -> 06:32 AM) Get help. Acknowledge truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Sep 23, 2017 -> 07:33 AM) Acknowledge truth. What was the blackmail angle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thad Bosley Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 21, 2017 -> 08:50 AM) Considering they did what pretty much every single other in professional sports has done, I am not sure you could call that a blemish, unless you are holding all other professional team owners to decades long grudges over their new stadiums. Sure, why not? And by that logic, you can walk into any state prison or county jail and look around and conclude that how could any of the inmates be guilty of any crimes if so many people have committed the same acts! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Sep 23, 2017 -> 07:29 AM) Nice try. The only ridiculous posts are ones like this one which try and mask the undeniable truth about the stadium extortion inflicted upon the state by the Sox owners. We are not talking about negotiating a sale or purchase. We are talking about blackmail in its purest form, plain and simple. That is what went down to force the state to finance the stadium construction, and you know it. And your unabashed hatred of my posts pointing out these facts doesn’t change a thing in this regard. You talk about "ridiculous" but use a criminal law term like extortion and blackmail to apply to a completely legal negotiation? The only hatred here is your irrational one for White Sox ownership. You can't even hold a rational conversation about the team's history without libeling the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Sep 23, 2017 -> 07:42 AM) Sure, why not? And by that logic, you can walk into any state prison or county jail and look around and conclude that how could any of the inmates be guilty of any crimes if so many people have committed the same acts! Except they haven't. You are quite literally making stuff up to the point of your words being illegal as no crime every took place, to try to make a point that isn't true. You really have a problem, and you should hope it doesn't get you sued. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thad Bosley Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 23, 2017 -> 08:14 AM) Except they haven't. You are quite literally making stuff up to the point of your words being illegal as no crime every took place, to try to make a point that isn't true. You really have a problem, and you should hope it doesn't get you sued. “Principal owner Jerry Reinsdorf was blunt about the BLACKMAIL in a 1997 interview. We want to stay in Chicago, but if we talk to you, you might be the vehicle that gets us the stadium in Chicago. Do you want to be used? They said ‘We’re willing to be used if you promise us that if you can’t get the stadium, you’ll come to St. Petersburg.’ So that’s what we did.” http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/sports...rticle-1.507057 I’m thinking if the mighty New York Daily News still stands today and were never “sued” after having made direct reference to the “blackmail” enlisted by Reinsdorf in the stadium deal, I won’t be needing to keep an attorney on retainer anytime soon. But thanks for the free and excellent legal advice nonetheless! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Sep 23, 2017 -> 10:36 AM) "Principal owner Jerry Reinsdorf was blunt about the BLACKMAIL in a 1997 interview. We want to stay in Chicago, but if we talk to you, you might be the vehicle that gets us the stadium in Chicago. Do you want to be used? They said 'We're willing to be used if you promise us that if you can't get the stadium, you'll come to St. Petersburg.' So that's what we did." http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/sports...rticle-1.507057 I'm thinking if the mighty New York Daily News still stands today and were never "sued" after having made direct reference to the "blackmail" enlisted by Reinsdorf in the stadium deal, I won't be needing to keep an attorney on retainer anytime soon. But thanks for the free and excellent legal advice nonetheless! That is just sad. When you are taking what a columnist said and attributing it to JR, and then still not accounting for the usage of the word "extortion". Both are terms referring to actual criminal activities and you are full out committing libel by using them in this form. The only criminal activity is yours. You have crossed a line in these posts that should not be crossed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Sep 23, 2017 -> 07:08 AM) Wow, talk about sugarcoating. Geesh! This post takes the cake. Well, you can spin it any way you like, but the fact remains: Blackmail = Blemish The owners taking actions that diverted even one penny of taxpayer money away from needs immensely greater than guaranteeing owner profits is an absolute black eye on the franchise’s history. The politicians may have allowed it, but they didn’t ask for it. As for “get what you can get when you can get it”, sure, why not. Next time you are at the grocery store and the cashier turns his head, grab as many items as you can hold and run out of the store without paying for them. That would be the same “great move” by you as the one you credit the owners with related to the stadium extortion. You can look at it that way if you want. It's the exact opposite of sugar coating it. You're being negative to be negative with a very biased view. Which is totally your right. You're taking a great deal by the owner for the White sox and turning it into a negative. He used to leverage he had to get the best deal for the team. It was a great business deal. there is absolutely nothing illegal or wrong about it. Not sure if you understand what is illegal and what is legal but the grocery store example is illegal. Threatening to move the team is not illegal, if fact it's a right they have as owners, if it's approved by the MLB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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