bmags Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/2074499...home-run-hitter A rising home run tide tends to lift all boats, but a few archetypes become most emblematic of each era. In the live-ball 1920s, it was the superstars redefining offensive limits; in the steroids-fueled 1990s, it was the middle infielders with suddenly thick forearms doubling their career highs; in the analytics era of the mid-2000s, it was the super-patient plodders with terrible defense but keen eyes. This era's avatar: the home run hitter who is terrible. Odor -- who might not actually be terrible but definitely has been this year -- is my favorite example. There's Mike Napoli, who has hit 29 home runs while batting .193/.285/.428. Maikel Franco has hit 20 homers with a .233/.286/.402 slash line. His teammate Tommy Joseph: 21 homers, .236/.287/.427. Matt Davidson: 25 homers, .223/.267/.462. Albert Pujols, arguably the worst everyday player in baseball this year, has hit 22 homers. Fun article. This year is so weird. I think Matt has a lot to be proud of himself for after the career he has had, but for him to be a big leaguer past this season he has to get his walk totals up to what they were in the minors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3GamesToLove Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 Sam Miller is a god among baseball writers and reading ESPN commenters who just don't *get* it is one of my favorite pastimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted September 20, 2017 Author Share Posted September 20, 2017 QUOTE (3GamesToLove @ Sep 20, 2017 -> 09:15 AM) Sam Miller is a god among baseball writers and reading ESPN commenters who just don't *get* it is one of my favorite pastimes. I know, it's brutal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenksycat Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 QUOTE (bmags @ Sep 20, 2017 -> 09:13 AM) http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/2074499...home-run-hitter Fun article. This year is so weird. I think Matt has a lot to be proud of himself for after the career he has had, but for him to be a big leaguer past this season he has to get his walk totals up to what they were in the minors. He's a better looking Adam Dunn who hits less homers and gets hurt more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Sep 20, 2017 -> 10:13 AM) He's a better looking Adam Dunn who hits less homers and gets hurt more. And draws significantly less walks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted September 20, 2017 Author Share Posted September 20, 2017 Yeah, I think I'll take Adam dunn, but it really goes to show that with just more walks Davidson could feasibly hit 2012 adam dunn level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjusttyped Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Sep 20, 2017 -> 10:23 AM) And draws significantly less walks. Also significantly more strikeouts relative to the league average. Even with the power he's shown this year Davidson has been a below average hitter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 Surprised that there is no Joey Gallo reference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (knightni @ Sep 20, 2017 -> 11:38 AM) Surprised that there is no Joey Gallo reference. Yeah I'm shocked too. Or even God, I mean Kyle Schwarber. Edited September 20, 2017 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 QUOTE (knightni @ Sep 20, 2017 -> 11:38 AM) Surprised that there is no Joey Gallo reference. Because Joey Gallo is actually good. He has a 125 wRC+ and ~3 WAR on the season, he is way better than every other hitter mentioned in the article, he clearly does not belong in that group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Sep 20, 2017 -> 11:40 AM) Because Joey Gallo is actually good. He has a 125 wRC+ and ~3 WAR on the season, he is way better than every other hitter mentioned in the article, he clearly does not belong in that group. This is a good post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 A rising home run tide tends to lift all boats, but a few archetypes become most emblematic of each era. In the live-ball 1920s, it was the superstars redefining offensive limits; in the steroids-fueled 1990s, it was the middle infielders with suddenly thick forearms doubling their career highs; in the analytics era of the mid-2000s, it was the super-patient plodders with terrible defense but keen eyes. This era's avatar: the home run hitter who is terrible. Odor -- who might not actually be terrible but definitely has been this year -- is my favorite example. There's Mike Napoli, who has hit 29 home runs while batting .193/.285/.428. Maikel Franco has hit 20 homers with a .233/.286/.402 slash line. His teammate Tommy Joseph: 21 homers, .236/.287/.427. Matt Davidson: 25 homers, .223/.267/.462. Albert Pujols, arguably the worst everyday player in baseball this year, has hit 22 homers. hard to believe im reading this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Sep 20, 2017 -> 10:23 AM) And draws significantly less walks. Which means he's not Adam Dunn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Sep 20, 2017 -> 11:40 AM) Because Joey Gallo is actually good. He has a 125 wRC+ and ~3 WAR on the season, he is way better than every other hitter mentioned in the article, he clearly does not belong in that group. Yep. Looking at the stats, the difference between Gallo and the rest is Gallo takes more walks which gives him more opportunities to score more runs for his team. Gallo is more of a left handed Chris Carter. Hits some bombs, draws some walks, K's a ton and hits for s***. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Sep 20, 2017 -> 11:58 AM) hard to believe im reading this Unless he hits about .800 over the final games of the season, it'll happen. Dick Allen posted something a while back that said that Pujols will be the first player in MLB history to finish seasons with both the highest and lowest WAR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted September 20, 2017 Author Share Posted September 20, 2017 He may end up with the worst back half of a hall of fame career ever right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 QUOTE (bmags @ Sep 20, 2017 -> 12:44 PM) He may end up with the worst back half of a hall of fame career ever right? Most definitely. However, if this season is a sign of things to come for Miguel Cabrera, he may be on that route. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lasttriptotulsa Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (bmags @ Sep 20, 2017 -> 12:44 PM) He may end up with the worst back half of a hall of fame career ever right? If he plays out his contract, or even most of it, his career average will drop below .300 and his OPS may drop into the .800's. Crazy after how good he was the majority of his career. Edited September 20, 2017 by lasttriptotulsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted September 20, 2017 Author Share Posted September 20, 2017 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Sep 20, 2017 -> 12:47 PM) Most definitely. However, if this season is a sign of things to come for Miguel Cabrera, he may be on that route. This will be the first year of his career since 2004 (first full season) that Miguel Cabrera did not get an MVP vote. So he had about 2 years more of top of league play. I think he will scrape out at least 2 more .900 OPS years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 QUOTE (bmags @ Sep 20, 2017 -> 12:44 PM) He may end up with the worst back half of a hall of fame career ever right? He's been a lot like Frank Thomas his entire career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Sep 20, 2017 -> 08:25 PM) He's been a lot like Frank Thomas his entire career. Frank was never as bad as Pujols has been this year. Frank was still a very good hitter the last few years of his career and even in 2008 he still put up a .349 OBP. Pujols has a .287 OBP this year. Edited September 21, 2017 by OmarComing25 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxforlife05 Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Sep 20, 2017 -> 11:06 AM) Yep. Looking at the stats, the difference between Gallo and the rest is Gallo takes more walks which gives him more opportunities to score more runs for his team. Gallo is more of a left handed Chris Carter. Hits some bombs, draws some walks, K's a ton and hits for s***. Exactly. Close to half of Gallo's hits are homers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Sep 20, 2017 -> 01:40 PM) If he plays out his contract, or even most of it, his career average will drop below .300 and his OPS may drop into the .800's. Crazy after how good he was the majority of his career. Crazy how bad that contract is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Sep 20, 2017 -> 12:06 PM) Yep. Looking at the stats, the difference between Gallo and the rest is Gallo takes more walks which gives him more opportunities to score more runs for his team. Gallo is more of a left handed Chris Carter. Hits some bombs, draws some walks, K's a ton and hits for s***. Gallo is better than Chris Carter though. Gallo's 2017 with Rangers: .210/.333/.538 with a .364 wOBA and 123 wRC+. He has 38 homers and a ridiculous .329 ISO. Chris Carter had one season better than that. In 2012 with the A's, he had a .369 wOBA and 137 wRC+. In 2014 Carter hit .227/.308/.491 with a .346 wOBA and 125 wRC+. In 2016 with Milwaukee, Carter hit .222/.321/.499 with a wRC+ 112 and a .346 wOBA. Carter has 1 season with a slugging percentage over .500. Gallo's is .538 this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Sep 20, 2017 -> 09:39 PM) Exactly. Close to half of Gallo's hits are homers. A good trivia question from back in the day. I'm not sure if it's still true as I haven't researched it. Who is the only player to drive himself in as many times as he drove others in while hitting 30 or more HRs? For example 30 HR and 60 RBI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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