southsider2k5 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 http://www.csnchicago.com/chicago-white-so...long-term-plans He’s the center of it all for now, but how does Jose Abreu fit into the White Sox long-term plans? The veteran first baseman blasted two more home runs on Tuesday night as he continued his best season since his rookie year. Abreu launched home runs Nos. 32 and 33 for the White Sox, who fell to the Los Angeles Angels 9-3 at Guaranteed Rate Field. Not only has Abreu provided outstanding all-around play, he’s taken on additional leadership responsibilities and serves as a role model for many of his young teammates. But whether his age — he turns 31 in January — will affect Abreu’s chances at sticking around through the entirety of the White Sox rebuild remains to be seen. More at link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 both of those homers were bombs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunt Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 The Sox should extend him this offseason honestly. I would buy out his last 2 years of arbitration and offer him $70 MM over the next 4 years. It takes you up through his age 34 season and if his defense slips, you can move Burger, Gillaspie, Sheets, etc. there and Abreu to DH. Sox have always prioritized production from 1B, Abreu should not and will be no different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 Just like Avi, open to moving him if the deal is right, but definitely don't extend him now. The front office can't back off the "laser focus" of the rebuild. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 27, 2017 Author Share Posted September 27, 2017 Dom @WhiteSoxDom 17h17 hours ago Only 1B with more fWAR than Jose Abreu in 2017: Joey Votto Paul Goldschmidt Freddie Freeman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 27, 2017 Author Share Posted September 27, 2017 Greg JohnsVerified account @GregJohnsMLB 2h2 hours ago Per Stacast, most batted balls of 100+ mph: Manny Machado 177 Jose Abreu 160 Nelson Cruz 157 Marcell Ozuna 155 Giancarlo Stanton 150 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harkness99 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 well... good question.. but that article gave zero about anything the organization was thinking... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoedairy Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 QUOTE (flavum @ Sep 27, 2017 -> 02:34 PM) Just like Avi, open to moving him if the deal is right, but definitely don't extend him now. The front office can't back off the "laser focus" of the rebuild. I agree about waiting on Avi. I would support an Abreu extension though. It's risky to follow too closely to any plan. Plenty of guys won't work out so it's nice to start with a sure thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 If they're going to extend him they should do it now - pay more in the next 2 years and in return have to pay for fewer years at the end of his career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 27, 2017 Author Share Posted September 27, 2017 QUOTE (joejoedairy @ Sep 27, 2017 -> 04:26 PM) I agree about waiting on Avi. I would support an Abreu extension though. It's risky to follow too closely to any plan. Plenty of guys won't work out so it's nice to start with a sure thing. Abreu is about as solid of an investment as you can make in MLB. After four years you have a really nice and narrow window of what you are going to get from the guy. He isn't a guy that depends on speed or defense for what he contributes, so he doesn't really have a skill set that you worry about eroding a lot in this age bracket. It is hard to call a 4 or 5 year deal "safe", but Abreu is a pretty safe bet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 27, 2017 -> 04:27 PM) If they're going to extend him they should do it now - pay more in the next 2 years and in return have to pay for fewer years at the end of his career. Ya, I'm actually all for this depending on the rate of course. Obviously if you get blown away by a trade offer you make a deal but as a ton of others have already said, it sure seems like Jose is worth more to the Sox than anyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Sep 27, 2017 -> 04:30 PM) Ya, I'm actually all for this depending on the rate of course. Obviously if you get blown away by a trade offer you make a deal but as a ton of others have already said, it sure seems like Jose is worth more to the Sox than anyone else. Someone said 4/$70-ish in a thread a week or two ago and I'd be totally ok with that. That's a raise over the next 2 years and cost certainty for both sides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 27, 2017 Author Share Posted September 27, 2017 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 27, 2017 -> 04:27 PM) If they're going to extend him they should do it now - pay more in the next 2 years and in return have to pay for fewer years at the end of his career. The big problem is that his next two years are arb years and I can't see the Sox giving him a contract that respects those historicals, but still be able to front load a deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 27, 2017 -> 04:37 PM) The big problem is that his next two years are arb years and I can't see the Sox giving him a contract that respects those historicals, but still be able to front load a deal. If some odd principle of "respecting historicals" is their biggest priority, then they should trade him this winter for the best price they can get. He won't have higher value than he will with 2 years left under contract coming off a dominant season and we can always use the playing time to try other guys out. If such a rule is that important, then we can sign him to a 4-5 year deal after 2019 if he's still hitting then, or go after a comparable player on the FA market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 27, 2017 -> 04:27 PM) If they're going to extend him they should do it now - pay more in the next 2 years and in return have to pay for fewer years at the end of his career. 100% agree. 4 years/$75M sounds about right to me. 2019 to 2021 should all be competitive years and I think he'll remain an elite bat during that period, even if he ends up at DH ultimately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Sep 28, 2017 -> 08:59 AM) 100% agree. 4 years/$75M sounds about right to me. 2019 to 2021 should all be competitive years and I think he'll remain an elite bat during that period, even if he ends up at DH ultimately. I don't think there's much of a market for either Garcia or Abreu but I would prefer extending Abreu personally due to the fact he has a longer track record. Garcia, I think they try to deal him this off-season but ultimately hold onto him playing the wait and see game until July when they either decide to trade him or extend him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenksycat Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Nelson Cruz got 4/57 coming off some huge years, I still don't see any team giving an aging DH 4/75 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 28, 2017 Author Share Posted September 28, 2017 QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Sep 28, 2017 -> 12:03 PM) Nelson Cruz got 4/57 coming off some huge years, I still don't see any team giving an aging DH 4/75 The DH/1B market is pretty dead. I think a 4/60 deal makes a lot more sense, especially when you consider you are getting two arb years in that math. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
he gone. Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 He's a student of the game and a hard worker. I seem him following almost a Pujols type of path.. that may be lofty in expectations. Pujols: 27 327/429/568 32HR 103RBI 28 357/462/653 37HR 116RBI 29 327/443/658 47HR 135RBI 30 312/414/596 42HR 118RBI 31 299/366/541 37HR 99RBI 32 285/343/516 30HR 105RBI 33 258/330/437 17HR 64RBI 34 272/324/466 28HR 105RBI Abreu: 27 317/383/581 36HR 107RBI 28 290/347/502 30HR 101RBI 29 293/353/468 25HR 100RBI 30 308/359/560 33HR 102RBI Looking at those stats? Even a top 10 greatest of all time bat in Albert fell off a bit after age 30. I think if he wants to take a friendly deal then we take it. If not, maybe even let him play out the next two years and then extend him. I want him back even at diminished returns at least at DH, but I don't think there's a rush. Even if he's batting .260 with 20HR I think there is good value there with how he approaches the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 28, 2017 -> 12:18 PM) The DH/1B market is pretty dead. I think a 4/60 deal makes a lot more sense, especially when you consider you are getting two arb years in that math. Ercarnacion got 3/$60M coming off a similar season at age 33. Abreu is going to get an AAV of at least $17.5M and maybe even closer to $20M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 28, 2017 Author Share Posted September 28, 2017 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Sep 28, 2017 -> 12:52 PM) Ercarnacion got 3/$60M coming off a similar season at age 33. Abreu is going to get an AAV of at least $17.5M and maybe even closer to $20M. As a free agent. Not with two arb years included. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconOnAStick Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 (edited) Abreu can change games with his bat in a way only 50 or so players can. Among that group Abreu is probably in the top half in pure hitting prowess. At some point defense, position, value (getting real sick of the nebulous "value" obsession that has infected baseball)...all that s*** stops mattering because you just need a guy who can flat out hit. Abreu takes the little round ball and deposits in a place very far away where nobody can catch it. Without a guy like that winning a title, hell winning anything, is almost impossible. Abreu will get paid if he continues this. The White Sox would be very wise to lock him up long term. Edited September 28, 2017 by Alexeihyeess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 (edited) at some point the rebuilding process must also focus on a winning and competitive team. You don't ever reach that level if you trade every productive player for "prospects." Avi Garcia was seen as a prospect and has now shown his talent. He is committed to continue his high level of play. Plus Jose Abreu is in a league of his own in my opinion. You need that team leader and high production. The veteran presence he provides can only help make those around him better Edited September 28, 2017 by elrockinMT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 (edited) There is absolutely no need in extending Abreu before his contract expires. Edited September 28, 2017 by cjgalloway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 Sounded like Hahn will start to discuss extensions in the middle of '18, with obviously only interest to extend Abreu and Garcia Abreu is the leader of this team and can still hopefully produce 2-4 more high level years, with him being a UFA in '20 there is 0 need to extend him now Garcia, just 26, still has to repeat success to show '17 wasn't a fluke, but I'd be thrilled with him as the long term RFer if he can prove that Next year's OD lineup of SS Anderson, 2B Moncada, 1B Abreu, RF Garcia, LF Delmonico, DH Davidson, 3B Sanchez, C Smith, and CF Leury looks like they can surprise a lot of people, especially in a weaker division...Not to mention the probable call-ups of LF Jimenez and C Collins next year along with CF Robert, 3B/1B Burger in '19 Next year's success in the W column really relies on pitching, which is off to a bad start with Rodon likely missing a month or so, but the rotation starting off '18 should feature Giolito, Fulmer, Lopez, and Shields (along with a cheap vet FA) with Rodon coming back in May and Kopech up in the summer 19's rotation should be Kopech, Rodon, Giolito, Lopez, and Hansen thus setting up '19 to be a major year and start of dominance for the ChiTown Sox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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