Gun Violence in America

[Brian]

Rubio is a slug and a hack. Don’t fall for it.

[caulfield12]

Rubio is a slug and a hack. Don’t fall for it.

 

We’ll see what happens when the rubber hits the road with actual votes that go against the NRA and majority of the GOP caucus.

[greg775]

What kind of f***ed up country are we living in if our teachers need to be packing? That is not the answer, Trump.

 

We are losing teachers by the dozens now in high rent areas. In San Francisco I saw average rent is 78% of a teachers salary. Don’t scare more away thinking they need a gun to do their job.and guns in classrooms every day isn’t going to end well.

I don't like the fact the kids and teachers have no way of defending themselves thus I said it'd be nice if teachers had guns at their disposal. However I did hear tonight on the news one school was saying starting now they will have armed guards on a daily basis. That's the only responsible thing to do right now. At least have armed guards. Who will pay for them? Somebody. If it's a public school they should raise taxes. If private, up the tuition and start a campaign for alums to donate.

[Texsox]

For a gun to be useful for protection it needs to be readily accessible and ready to shoot. That is not a combination I am comfortable with in my classroom. Basically if I can get it fast, so can a student. Plus, most schools struggle to buy supplies, where is the money coming from? Increased school funding?

 

We accept that an arms race wins wars. From rifled barrels during the Revolutionary War to the "Mother of all Bombs" in WW2. But with the rising numbers of gun deaths we believe it is the individual that changed, that the individual has become more deadly. I certainly agree we have, but to not address the fact that we are legally providing more deadly weapons to people who wish to harm us is a disservice to the next people who get murdered. It is a complex problem that required a complex solution.

[RockRaines]

I don't like the fact the kids and teachers have no way of defending themselves thus I said it'd be nice if teachers had guns at their disposal. However I did hear tonight on the news one school was saying starting now they will have armed guards on a daily basis. That's the only responsible thing to do right now. At least have armed guards. Who will pay for them? Somebody. If it's a public school they should raise taxes. If private, up the tuition and start a campaign for alums to donate.

There were two armed policemen at Parkland

Edited February 22, 2018 by RockRaines

[RockRaines]

Rubio is a slug and a hack. Don’t fall for it.

I like how low the bar has fallen. He is getting credit for literally doing the bare minimum requirement of his job. Every single politician is obligated to face their communities. Its not something "nice" they should do, they are f***ing required to do it.

[RockRaines]

What kind of f***ed up country are we living in if our teachers need to be packing? That is not the answer, Trump.

 

We are losing teachers by the dozens now in high rent areas. In San Francisco I saw average rent is 78% of a teachers salary. Don’t scare more away thinking they need a gun to do their job.and guns in classrooms every day isn’t going to end well.

The good news is that financially its impossible. between the overtime, training costs, equipment costs and insurance increase, schools and districts flat out cannot afford to arm teachers. Its an empty idea that is being floated to make it look like these sleazeballs are finding a solution.

[StrangeSox]

Rubio is a slug and a hack. Don’t fall for it.

 

We need to compromise, somewhere in the middle between "regular mass shootings in schools" and "no mass shootings in schools." The truth is always in the middle!!!

[StrangeSox]

President out praising the NRA this morning, showing exactly how serious he is about actually doing anything.

 

As far as more armed guards, Stoneman Douglas had an armed guard. Pulse had an armed guard. Mandalay Bay has a whole armed security force, as did the concert across the street. Fort Hood is a god damned military base. When someone is willing to kill and be killed, a few armed guards aren't going to stop them.

[GoSox05]

The NRA sent Dana Loesch to that town hall. Shows you how much they don't care about any of this.

[RockRaines]

I hope a school district puts together an actual financial plan to arm the staff and shows how much it would raise taxes. They "you cant take our guns" crowd will be in a nice little pickle at that point.

[StrangeSox]

It would be $0 because teachers would be expected to provide their own guns and training. If chose not to, they would then be blamed for "not taking responsibility" after a mass shooting.

 

e: and if liberals or, god forbid, actual leftists given major platforms used language 1/10 as incendiary and unhinged as what we're seeing from the NRA at CPAC this morning, it'd be national news. But, from the conservative base, it's expected so it's normalized.

Edited February 22, 2018 by StrangeSox

[RockRaines]

It would be $0 because teachers would be expected to provide their own guns and training. If chose not to, they would then be blamed for "not taking responsibility" after a mass shooting.

I dont think that would be possible, there would need to be a standardized training program as well as a standard issue weapon and weapon container. Not to mention the increased insurance premiums.

[StrangeSox]

Why? Just pass a bill allowing exceptions to the Gun Free Zones act that allows teachers to carry their own licensed concealed carry weapon. Now you've shifted the entire burden to teachers (or Undercover Custodians!).

 

e: some states and universities actually already allow this

 

e2: the same people who's only solution is MORE GUNS! would also generally love to bust teachers' unions and cut teachers' salaries anyway, so then they'd get to concern troll about "well if they really cared about protecting their students, they'd take a pay cut to pay for security!!"

Edited February 22, 2018 by StrangeSox

[GoSox05]

Something tells me this will some how lead back to blaming teacher unions. I think most teachers are going flat out reject having to carry a gun. I think the unions will back them and then conservatives can blame them next time something happens.

 

 

Congrats, the union is gone and now you make 25,000 a year and have to also carry a gun all the time. MAGA.

 

 

 

@BenjySarlin

 

Wayne LaPierre is now handicapping the entire 2020 Democratic field, who "hide behind labels like Democrat, left wing, and progressive to make their socialist agenda more palatable." I think we were talking about guns earlier.

 

Wayne LaPierre at CPAC calling Democrats "socialists". Wayne old buddy don't I wish.

Edited February 22, 2018 by GoSox05

[RockRaines]

Something tells me this will some how lead back to blaming teacher unions. I think most teachers are going flat out reject having to carry a gun. I think the unions will back them and then conservatives can blame them next time something happens.

 

 

Congrats, the union is gone and now you make 25,000 a year and have to also carry a gun all the time. MAGA.

 

 

 

 

 

Wayne LaPierre at CPAC calling Democrats "socialists". Wayne old buddy don't I wish.

The speaker lineup for CPAC reads like a list of the worst people on the planet.

 

But yes, I am seeing now that they are going to blame the teachers and the unions for not arming themselves out of their own pockets.

[bmags]

The NRA defines liberty as the ability to own and purchase as many of any kind of gun as possible and carry it anywhere without restriction or tracking.

 

That is liberty.

 

You know this is the narrow definition because they so willingly trade the liberties of children and people with mental health issues at a moments notice to preserve their maximalist view.

[Dick Allen]

Trump says arming teachers solves the problem instantly. This dope was elected President. We all should be embarrassed. I loved seeing his "I hear you" notes his staff wrote him to remember telling the kids yesterday. Kind of odd the best memory in the world needed notes.

Edited February 22, 2018 by Dick Allen

[RockRaines]

The NRA defines liberty as the ability to own and purchase as many of any kind of gun as possible and carry it anywhere without restriction or tracking.

 

That is liberty.

 

You know this is the narrow definition because they so willingly trade the liberties of children and people with mental health issues at a moments notice to preserve their maximalist view.

They also define a well regulated militia as anyone who can operate a gun.

[bmags]

They also define a well regulated militia as anyone who can operate a gun.

 

That offends me less.

[Iwritecode]

President out praising the NRA this morning, showing exactly how serious he is about actually doing anything.

 

As far as more armed guards, Stoneman Douglas had an armed guard. Pulse had an armed guard. Mandalay Bay has a whole armed security force, as did the concert across the street. Fort Hood is a god damned military base. When someone is willing to kill and be killed, a few armed guards aren't going to stop them.

 

Columbine had an armed guard as well. The kids just timed it when he was off-campus for lunch. With any security system, the weakest link is usually the human element.

[BigSqwert]

I don't like the fact the kids and teachers have no way of defending themselves thus I said it'd be nice if teachers had guns at their disposal. However I did hear tonight on the news one school was saying starting now they will have armed guards on a daily basis. That's the only responsible thing to do right now. At least have armed guards. Who will pay for them? Somebody. If it's a public school they should raise taxes. If private, up the tuition and start a campaign for alums to donate.

 

Do you even read the news...ever? This school that just got shot up had armed guards. YOUR PLAN/IDEA DOES NOT WORK.

[Dick Allen]

Obviously they think the "solution" is more guns. When that doesn't work, they will say they just need more.

[Swingandalongonetoleft]

I think most teachers are going flat out reject having to carry a gun.

With every ounce of my being, I hope so.

 

Something tells me this will some how lead back to blaming teacher union... I think the unions will back them and then conservatives can blame them next time something happens.

This is inevitable. The powers that be have already concluded that arming teachers is the answer. It's a convenient and self-serving "solution". Any debate on the issue going forward, I feel, is purely for show and nothing more.

[Chicago White Sox]

It's absolutely disgusting that someone would propose arming teachers would actually solve this problem. A couple teachers armed with handguns are going to do jack s*** against some psychopath who has spent months planning, has an AR-15 w/ high capacity clips, possibly wearing body armor, & with the element of surprise. The only thing those teachers might do is slow the shooter down slightly at the cost of their lives, but that's obviously not a solution and doesn't take into the account the numerous other negatives arming teachers would result in. One of the single dumbest ideas I have ever heard.