BigSqwert Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 Nice to see Alex Jones going full-scale tinfoil hat on the massacre calling it a false flag. Thank goodness he received a massive platform on NBC with Megyn Kelly not long ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan2003 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Oct 2, 2017 -> 11:58 AM) Continue to distract yourself with the how instead of the why. It's easier. Can't we focus on both? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Oct 2, 2017 -> 12:28 PM) Nice to see Alex Jones going full-scale tinfoil hat on the massacre calling it a false flag. Thank goodness he received a massive platform on NBC with Megyn Kelly not long ago. It's a false flag but also ISIS and antifa great that this insane conspiracy theory idiot has such a large platform edit: doesn't help that google's searches were promoting some 4chan nonsense and Facebook was promoting gatewaypundit earlier, either. Edited October 2, 2017 by StrangeSox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Oct 2, 2017 -> 11:58 AM) Continue to distract yourself with the how instead of the why. It's easier. Why can’t we try to fix the how and the why? They aren’t mutually exclusive... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Oct 2, 2017 -> 01:12 PM) It's a false flag but also ISIS and antifa great that this insane conspiracy theory idiot has such a large platform edit: doesn't help that google's searches were promoting some 4chan nonsense and Facebook was promoting gatewaypundit earlier, either. Millions of people are believing every word he says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 Because health care in our country is a joke, Las Vegas officials have set up a GoFundMe account to solicit charity for the shooting victims. https://theintercept.com/2017/10/02/las-veg...me-health-care/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 (edited) Two issues: Gun control, mental health. ... a.) Well, I don't really want to know more about this guy but I'd kind of like to know why he did it. From what I read I don't think he was mentally ill, he was just an asshole. He was gambling heavily, probably drinking heavily? There's a chance this 64 year old wasn't insane, just wanted to leave the earth in a splash, a blaze of glory so to speak. Shooting a gun from a window, he didn't have to actually see the blood and carnage. he could just kill, then kill himself. He may have just wanted to die and do it in a public way. Or maybe he hated people late in life. He had some beef with a casino I read. He may have just been an asshole. I seriously doubt he was mentally ill. b.) Gun control. I wouldn't give up. There is no reason 64 year old guys should have those kind of guns. I know it's our freedom to arm ourselves, but if we don't solve this issue non partisan (ha, good luck there) and keep assault rifles, etc., out of the hands of people, this indeed will be the new normal. I'm surprised we don't see hand grenades in these attacks as well. It's going to happen at a sporting event as well as concerts like this and it's very sad, tramatizing and heartbreaking. I realize I'm dreaming about keeping these guns off the streets, but if there ever was a cause to not give up the fight on, it's this. But it CANT be solved cause of partisan politics. I'd still try, though. Edited October 2, 2017 by greg775 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 This is the 4th time since it was originally published in 2014 that the Onion has rerun this article verbatim, with the exception of changing out the city, casualty numbers, and photos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 2, 2017 -> 01:09 PM) Two issues: Gun control, mental health. ... a.) Well, I don't really want to know more about this guy but I'd kind of like to know why he did it. From what I read I don't think he was mentally ill, he was just an asshole. He was gambling heavily, probably drinking heavily? There's a chance this 64 year old wasn't insane, just wanted to leave the earth in a splash, a blaze of glory so to speak. Shooting a gun from a window, he didn't have to actually see the blood and carnage. he could just kill, then kill himself. He may have just wanted to die and do it in a public way. Or maybe he hated people late in life. He had some beef with a casino I read. He may have just been an asshole. I seriously doubt he was mentally ill. b.) Gun control. I wouldn't give up. There is no reason 64 year old guys should have those kind of guns. I know it's our freedom to arm ourselves, but if we don't solve this issue non partisan (ha, good luck there) and keep assault rifles, etc., out of the hands of people, this indeed will be the new normal. I'm surprised we don't see hand grenades in these attacks as well. It's going to happen at a sporting event as well as concerts like this and it's very sad, tramatizing and heartbreaking. I realize I'm dreaming about keeping these guns off the streets, but if there ever was a cause to not give up the fight on, it's this. But it CANT be solved cause of partisan politics. I'd still try, though. Technically at some point to do what he did, he had to be mentally ill. Seperate from that is whether he actually showed those signs elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Oct 2, 2017 -> 03:22 PM) Technically at some point to do what he did, he had to be mentally ill. Seperate from that is whether he actually showed those signs elsewhere. I agree. Whether he had shown signs earlier is anyone's guess except those close to him, and there doesn't seem to be many of them, but he was 64, apparently had a successful career, and was living an easy life. If he was mentally ill for a long time he sure was able to hide it pretty well. and overcome. He doesn't seem to fit the profile, which is another scary thing. Edited October 2, 2017 by Dick Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 2, 2017 -> 03:26 PM) I agree. Whether he had shown signs earlier is anyone's guess except those close to him, and there doesn't seem to be many of them, but he was 64, apparently had a successful career, and was living an easy life. If he was mentally ill for a long time he sure was able to hide it pretty well. and overcome. He doesn't seem to fit the profile, which is another scary thing. Depends on what you define as the profile. White Male who owns guns checks a lot of them. Also worth noting - people with mental illness are far more likely to be victims of gun violence than the perpetrators of such violence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 2, 2017 -> 03:29 PM) Depends on what you define as the profile. White Male who owns guns checks a lot of them. Also worth noting - people with mental illness are far more likely to be victims of gun violence than the perpetrators of such violence. that's very heavily due to suicide rates, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Oct 2, 2017 -> 08:22 PM) Technically at some point to do what he did, he had to be mentally ill. Is that true? I'm asking medical professionals. We are assuming because the act of killing is horrific you have to be mentally ill. There are bombers in war who kill thousands. Not trying to argue. I just think we are going to see more and more of this and I'm thinking in not all instances will the gunman be mentally ill. He might be pissed at the world, at the man (in his case the casino he sued for two years?) and as a complete selfish asshole he could take hundreds of people with him as he leaves the cruel world. I'll stop now as I know NOTHING about mental illness. I'm just wondering if some people are capable of s*** like this without being insane. I mean there are a lot of gang members who kill just for the sake of it. They are not considered insane, just ruthless. Were all those guys in the mob insane by the definition of insane? Oh well, my mind is al over the place as you all know these senseless mass murders make me get very angry, like at the Colorado asshole who killed so many in a theatre. Best wishes to all in Vegas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Oct 2, 2017 -> 03:32 PM) that's very heavily due to suicide rates, right? Link “Our research finds that across the board, the mentally ill are 60 to 120 percent more likely than the average person to be the victims of violent crime rather than the perpetrators.”By that statement they're counting just violent crime, not including suicides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 f***ing hell, I have two friends that just got back from Vegas less than two weeks ago. Anyone hear from iamshack? Hope he and his family are OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 2, 2017 -> 01:32 PM) Is that true? I'm asking medical professionals. We are assuming because the act of killing is horrific you have to be mentally ill. There are bombers in war who kill thousands. Not trying to argue. I just think we are going to see more and more of this and I'm thinking in not all instances will the gunman be mentally ill. He might be pissed at the world, at the man (in his case the casino he sued for two years?) and as a complete selfish asshole he could take hundreds of people with him as he leaves the cruel world. I'll stop now as I know NOTHING about mental illness. I'm just wondering if some people are capable of s*** like this without being insane. I mean there are a lot of gang members who kill just for the sake of it. They are not considered insane, just ruthless. Were all those guys in the mob insane by the definition of insane? Oh well, my mind is al over the place as you all know these senseless mass murders make me get very angry, like at the Colorado asshole who killed so many in a theatre. Best wishes to all in Vegas. In my opinion, depends on how you define it. You can have "mental illnesses" that create long-term issues, or you can (in my opinion), have events in your life that perhaps cause a drastic shift to your mental health which in my opinion could make you mentally ill. I separate conflicts of war from other scenarios because in that case, you are not being unique (presuming you are performing your act consistent with how a soldier should perform it). To just randomly murder other people is not a sane act and anyone that does such a thing clearly has a mental inbalance (at that point in time). A whole seperate question as to whether it should / could have been identified earlier and actions prevented. Lots of things unknown as it relates to this particular perpetrator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Oct 2, 2017 -> 03:45 PM) f***ing hell, I have two friends that just got back from Vegas less than two weeks ago. Anyone hear from iamshack? Hope he and his family are OK. shack appeared in the other thread and said he is ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 2, 2017 -> 04:18 PM) shack appeared in the other thread and said he is ok. Thanks bmags. Glad to hear it. I must have missed the other thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Oct 2, 2017 -> 03:45 PM) f***ing hell, I have two friends that just got back from Vegas less than two weeks ago. Anyone hear from iamshack? Hope he and his family are OK. Yup he posted in the other thread, he's all good fortunately! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Oct 2, 2017 -> 03:45 PM) In my opinion, depends on how you define it. You can have "mental illnesses" that create long-term issues, or you can (in my opinion), have events in your life that perhaps cause a drastic shift to your mental health which in my opinion could make you mentally ill. I separate conflicts of war from other scenarios because in that case, you are not being unique (presuming you are performing your act consistent with how a soldier should perform it). To just randomly murder other people is not a sane act and anyone that does such a thing clearly has a mental inbalance (at that point in time). A whole seperate question as to whether it should / could have been identified earlier and actions prevented. Lots of things unknown as it relates to this particular perpetrator. Thats a great post. Any those signs could have been hard to spot by anyone including people close to him. His family didnt even know he owned guns and he had 10 modified semi-autos as well as a stand to snipe with. At some point you have to be able to either spot the signs of mental illness, give people a way to seek help easily, or stop them from acquiring instruments of mass murder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted October 2, 2017 Author Share Posted October 2, 2017 I apologize for the attitude earlier. I was in a pretty bad mood. My cousin was actually at the concert. He's fine, but it was a little too close for comfort. Nevertheless, I strongly feel the gun control debate is a hot button political issue that will never be resolved and the majority of politicians don't have the motivation to actually do anything concrete. The debate is good for business if you're a politician. The most pragmatic and realistic solution involves healthcare. I refuse to believe anybody capable of randomly shooting 50 people hasn't shown signs of being completely disconnected from reality. A functional, responsibly healthcare system will identify a lot of these people before they act. In Chicago, we'll never get guns off the street. It's just not realistic. There are millions in circulation. That's not going to change. The reason we see so much gun violence in Chicago is the result of a. The War on Drugs. B. Social engineering and segregation. C. Economic inequality. Obviously these are all daunting reasons, but until we begin address them, the gun control debate is a band aid and a distraction from the real issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 2, 2017 -> 03:09 PM) b.) Gun control. I wouldn't give up. There is no reason 64 year old guys should have those kind of guns. I know it's our freedom to arm ourselves, but if we don't solve this issue non partisan (ha, good luck there) and keep assault rifles, etc., out of the hands of people, this indeed will be the new normal. I'm surprised we don't see hand grenades in these attacks as well. It's going to happen at a sporting event as well as concerts like this and it's very sad, tramatizing and heartbreaking. I realize I'm dreaming about keeping these guns off the streets, but if there ever was a cause to not give up the fight on, it's this. But it CANT be solved cause of partisan politics. I'd still try, though. Greg, this is an excellent post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 Dude had 18 more guns, explosives and hundreds more rounds at his house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Oct 2, 2017 -> 03:45 PM) In my opinion, depends on how you define it. You can have "mental illnesses" that create long-term issues, or you can (in my opinion), have events in your life that perhaps cause a drastic shift to your mental health which in my opinion could make you mentally ill. I separate conflicts of war from other scenarios because in that case, you are not being unique (presuming you are performing your act consistent with how a soldier should perform it). To just randomly murder other people is not a sane act and anyone that does such a thing clearly has a mental inbalance (at that point in time). A whole seperate question as to whether it should / could have been identified earlier and actions prevented. Lots of things unknown as it relates to this particular perpetrator. Would you describe the 9/11 hijackers or the Paris attackers as mentally ill? (nonsarcastic question). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Oct 2, 2017 -> 04:21 PM) Yup he posted in the other thread, he's all good fortunately! Thanks big guy, appreciate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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