bmags Posted November 21, 2017 Author Share Posted November 21, 2017 Okay from Manfred's statement which is only an image from JJ Coopers tweet I can't seem to save: It seems the reason they came down so hard was that the braves were doing the same sort of thing as the red sox, but so dramatically as to avoid the "overage" penalty that would have prevented them from being players in the 2016 class, which they went BIG on. Beyond that year, they were doing the same sign a bunch of low level players to funnel money to other players to get past 300k. IF that's all they were doing, they'd have red sox sanctions. Makes sense. They shouldn't have had a 2016 INTl season, so all of those players are released. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Teams can use this year's signing pool or next year's. Maitan back on the dock? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 The whole international player procurement process is just gross. Baseball has a lot to think about here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Go hard Rick. Go hard. Future Sox squad, know if there are signings in place for next period? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenericUserName Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 QUOTE (Quin @ Nov 21, 2017 -> 03:18 PM) Teams can use this year's signing pool or next year's. Maitan back on the dock? Did anyone say if the $300k penalty is still in place? If not we are probably in good position not having any commitments for next year and money left for this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 21, 2017 Author Share Posted November 21, 2017 QUOTE (GenericUserName @ Nov 21, 2017 -> 03:22 PM) Did anyone say if the $300k penalty is still in place? If not we are probably in good position not having any commitments for next year and money left for this year. I have not seen anything clarifying this. Passan's tweets on dipping into next years was vague on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Still don't understand why they just don't have an international draft like other sports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 MLB should try some way to level the playing field on this group of guys that are out there. Give each team a separate cap reserved only for this group. You cant spend any of accumulated amount. Every one will be equal. Its more fair to the teams and the players who are choosing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Jim CallisVerified account @jimcallisMLB 1h1 hour ago When I ranked baseball's top farm systems for @MLBNetwork for use during our last two @MLBazFallLeague broadcasts, I had the @Braves at No. 1. With Atlanta losing Kevin Maitan & Co., I would drop them to No. 2 behind the @whitesox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenericUserName Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 From the BA article. Still not really clear on anything. The players will have restrictions on their free agency. They will be eligible to sign with another club for another signing bonus beginning on Dec. 5 up until Jan. 15. After Jan. 15, the player is still allowed to sign but cannot receive an additional signing bonus. Only the amount of the signing bonus beyond $200,000 will count toward a team’s signing bonus pool. Players are allowed to re-sign with the Braves, but if they choose to do so, they must wait until May 1 to sign with them and can’t receive an additional signing bonus. Read more at https://www.baseballamerica.com/internation...26HmwJ1R3o4t.99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenericUserName Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Couple questions I still have: what does "additional signing bonus" mean; the first 200K doesnt count towards your pool, so can you go over your pool or penalty (like can we sign them for 300K penalty + initial 200K); is the penalty phase still active; how much of next years pool can we use? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 21, 2017 Author Share Posted November 21, 2017 What I'm taking from that is if the 300k exists, the most we can offer is 500k. But we don't know anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 21, 2017 Author Share Posted November 21, 2017 Info on the players released: https://www.baseballamerica.com/internation...ospects-braves/ I like Soto if we can't afford the higher end guys. Love reading good baseball instincts with lower level guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Important note: Every team can sign Kevin Maitan. Teams will be able to use money from the current bonus period (2017-18) or dip into next year's pool (2018-19). They cannot combine the money from both years. https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/933081338818777089 Theoretically, this would allow all teams to go after Kevin Maitan, but as we know, teams already have most of their 2018-19 bonus pools committed. Early signings are simply a reality in the current state of play in Latin America. https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/933081643610509312 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenericUserName Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Just Listing out the names so they're all in one place and we don't have to keep going back to the BA article: Kevin Maintan - SS Abrahan Gutierrez - C Yunior Severino - 2B Juan Contreras - RHP Livan Soto - SS Yefri del Rosario - RHP Yenci Pena - SS Ji-Hwan Bae - SS Guillermo Zuniga - RHP Juan Carlos Negret - OF Antonio Sucre - OF Brandol Mezquita - OF Angel Rojas - OF BA said Soto impressed in the GCL with his defense and overall skill. Bae was compared to Trae Turner by the guy who signed both and was going to be an early 1st round pick in the KBO draft before he signed. Negret is from Cuba and is 18 so I wonder if he has any connection to Luis Robert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Nov 21, 2017 -> 03:48 PM) Important note: Every team can sign Kevin Maitan. Teams will be able to use money from the current bonus period (2017-18) or dip into next year's pool (2018-19). They cannot combine the money from both years. https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/933081338818777089 Theoretically, this would allow all teams to go after Kevin Maitan, but as we know, teams already have most of their 2018-19 bonus pools committed. Early signings are simply a reality in the current state of play in Latin America. https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/933081643610509312 F*** yes.. Let's go balls to the wall! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 QUOTE (Quin @ Nov 21, 2017 -> 03:18 PM) Teams can use this year's signing pool or next year's. Maitan back on the dock? The Sox would still be out. Penalty phase is two years. We are now serving year 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 QUOTE (flavum @ Nov 21, 2017 -> 03:19 PM) The whole international player procurement process is just gross. Baseball has a lot to think about here. It is absolutely why they should go to an international draft. The rest of the sports world does it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 21, 2017 Author Share Posted November 21, 2017 BA's Cooper makes good point that it may not be a coincidence this punishment drops before Otani comes over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (cjgalloway @ Nov 21, 2017 -> 03:56 PM) F*** yes.. Let's go balls to the wall! Well we can't really since we are penalized for going over in the 16/17 period for Robert. Edited November 21, 2017 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 21, 2017 -> 03:57 PM) The Sox would still be out. Penalty phase is two years. We are now serving year 1. well this makes me sad... I didn't know/forgot it was a two year penalty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 QUOTE (cjgalloway @ Nov 21, 2017 -> 04:02 PM) well this makes me sad... I didn't know/forgot it was a two year penalty The 17/18 period is our first year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Nov 21, 2017 -> 04:05 PM) The 17/18 period is our first year. Yeah we are capped with 300k signings until July 1, 2019. That is the downside of blowing the pool for Robert. No Ohtani, no more Cubans, and no more 16 year old signings of any size all for two years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 The Braves are not fighting the sanctions. https://twitter.com/Braves/status/933081958187524096 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 21, 2017 -> 04:07 PM) Yeah we are capped with 300k signings until July 1, 2019. That is the downside of blowing the pool for Robert. No Ohtani, no more Cubans, and no more 16 year old signings of any size all for two years. Well, with it now capped, the chances of being able to get some interesting prospects at $300k is better than it was under the old rules. They basically had to go all out for Robert last period since signing Ohtani really wouldn't be guaranteed even if we had the most to spend. Edited November 21, 2017 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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