Sleepy Harold Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 (edited) Link to BA Article Good to see that Zack's working on improving his swing. Edited October 4, 2017 by Sleepy Harold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTruth05 Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 Can we get boxscores on any of these instructs games? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 There is a lot of good and neutral information in there. Highly recommended read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 Read through the end for tidbits here too: "White Sox righthander Hunter Kiel—an 18th-rounder of out of Louisiana State—showed a mid-90s fastball and a hard, mid-80s slider in his inning. Read more at http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/coll...Aop465.99" A hunter kiel tidbit that doesn't say he walked 10 batters and gave up 20 runs! ANd rather than triple digit, saying he's throwing mid-90s with a mid-80s slider. Are the sox beginning to get this kid closer to a pitcher? Could be an interesting bullpen prospect if so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 Absolutely love the increased coverage of instructs, awesome for MiLB junkies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 4, 2017 -> 12:10 PM) Read through the end for tidbits here too: "White Sox righthander Hunter Kiel—an 18th-rounder of out of Louisiana State—showed a mid-90s fastball and a hard, mid-80s slider in his inning. Read more at http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/coll...Aop465.99" A hunter kiel tidbit that doesn't say he walked 10 batters and gave up 20 runs! ANd rather than triple digit, saying he's throwing mid-90s with a mid-80s slider. Are the sox beginning to get this kid closer to a pitcher? Could be an interesting bullpen prospect if so. Loved him coming outta LSU, definitely think he can be a prospect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 Awesome to hear about Collins, seems like he should climb the prospect ranks Should start '18 in BIR and maybe see CHA in the summer if he rakes/develops as a C Should definitely be in Chicago by mid '19 latest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 Yeah Eric Longenhagen is also touring the instructs but his white sox tidbits weren't interesting at all. Basically clarkin barely touches 90 and Collins hit a homer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 4, 2017 -> 09:32 AM) Basically clarkin barely touches 90 Wtf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 QUOTE (hi8is @ Oct 4, 2017 -> 12:22 PM) Wtf Shouldn't be that surprising, he's not a velo guy and he's returning from another injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 Longenhagen says Burger was struggling with throwing accuracy, but took good at bats and made loud contact. Also said Collins' pop times were well below average, which, 2.05-2.10 seconds, yeah, those are bad. But on the plus side, Collins still takes great at bats. https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/hunter-gree...ctional-league/ I wonder if Collins doesn't become the Sox version of Schwarber, basically just fills in at catcher now and then and ends up either in LF, 1B, DH, or C on any particular night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 4, 2017 -> 10:42 AM) Shouldn't be that surprising, he's not a velo guy and he's returning from another injury. Ah - I forgot about the injury Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 4, 2017 -> 01:56 PM) Longenhagen says Burger was struggling with throwing accuracy, but took good at bats and made loud contact. Also said Collins' pop times were well below average, which, 2.05-2.10 seconds, yeah, those are bad. But on the plus side, Collins still takes great at bats. https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/hunter-gree...ctional-league/ I wonder if Collins doesn't become the Sox version of Schwarber, basically just fills in at catcher now and then and ends up either in LF, 1B, DH, or C on any particular night. Schwarber caught 7 innings at catcher this season, that's far below "now and then". I hope Collins can stick there more than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 I have doubts that Collins can play OF even as well as Schwarber. All accounts were that Schwarber was a better athlete than Collins. That's a rough report. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Oct 4, 2017 -> 02:07 PM) Schwarber caught 7 innings at catcher this season, that's far below "now and then". I hope Collins can stick there more than that. I saw something that implied he caught more than that, my bad. Still, if he's a decent hitter and can act as the backup catcher, in a less than ideal scenario, is something I can live with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 4, 2017 -> 02:09 PM) I have doubts that Collins can play OF even as well as Schwarber. All accounts were that Schwarber was a better athlete than Collins. That's a rough report. It is, but it's why I don't care that he didn't hit well. They have obviously been focusing almost exclusively on his defense and improving it. I don't know how much they can really improve the quick twitch abilities necessary to improve that, but if he can get it consistently in the 1.9s, he should be OK. By all accounts, he is working on correcting his swing plane, he has good power, and has among the best eyes in the entire minors. He'll make it in some manner, and I actually trust the Sox minor league development team to get him to where he needs to be as a catcher. We had these same concerns over Tyler Flowers, and he's among the best defensive catchers in the majors now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 4, 2017 -> 02:43 PM) I saw something that implied he caught more than that, my bad. Still, if he's a decent hitter and can act as the backup catcher, in a less than ideal scenario, is something I can live with. I don't see Collins being anywhere close to a good enough hitter where you're happy with him as a corner OF on this roster, especially not with Jiminez already coming up. When people were talking about Collins as a 30-40 HR hitter that might have made sense, but he wasn't anywhere close to that this season. If he can't come up as a catcher then he needs to hit vastly better than Delmonico, for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yesterday333 Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 Basically he needs to keep improving as a catcher. It is encouraging know that he has made strides and is improving, hopefully that will continue. He seems to be very committed to improving the different areas of his game so I am not hitting the panic button with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Catcher is such a critical position without offense even considered. Dude can take all the time he needs IMO. Glad it seems he works his ass off like Flo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Oct 4, 2017 -> 08:10 PM) Catcher is such a critical position without offense even considered. Dude can take all the time he needs IMO. Glad it seems he works his ass off like Flo yea no rush. this year he needs to show something with the bat, but defensively he's making good progress. And yea, better to be a mediocre hitting catcher than corner player, big time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 4, 2017 -> 11:10 AM) Read through the end for tidbits here too: "White Sox righthander Hunter Kiel—an 18th-rounder of out of Louisiana State—showed a mid-90s fastball and a hard, mid-80s slider in his inning. Read more at http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/coll...Aop465.99" A hunter kiel tidbit that doesn't say he walked 10 batters and gave up 20 runs! ANd rather than triple digit, saying he's throwing mid-90s with a mid-80s slider. Are the sox beginning to get this kid closer to a pitcher? Could be an interesting bullpen prospect if so. If you look at his stats the last 8-10 games, he pitched much, much better. Believe he had a mechanic tweak. Just took off from there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 4, 2017 -> 05:10 PM) I don't see Collins being anywhere close to a good enough hitter where you're happy with him as a corner OF on this roster, especially not with Jiminez already coming up. When people were talking about Collins as a 30-40 HR hitter that might have made sense, but he wasn't anywhere close to that this season. If he can't come up as a catcher then he needs to hit vastly better than Delmonico, for example. I think he's a much better hitter than he showed this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 5, 2017 -> 09:48 AM) I think he's a much better hitter than he showed this year. Collins is a work in progress, but I think he is a better hitter than his numbers this year too. He has an advanced approach and just needs to focus on making more contact. Defensively it often takes catchers awhile to be ready, and I expect Collins to need at least another full season in the minors before any consideration of promotion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 5, 2017 -> 09:48 AM) I think he's a much better hitter than he showed this year. Definitely agree. This upcoming year will be a big year in his development. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnin' two Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 4, 2017 -> 05:10 PM) I don't see Collins being anywhere close to a good enough hitter where you're happy with him as a corner OF on this roster, especially not with Jiminez already coming up. When people were talking about Collins as a 30-40 HR hitter that might have made sense, but he wasn't anywhere close to that this season. If he can't come up as a catcher then he needs to hit vastly better than Delmonico, for example. Gary Sanchez never hit more than 18 homers in a minor league season. Collins hit 19 this year. And the only year Sanchez had a higher OBP was in his first season in rookie ball. It is a little soon to say he won't be an impact bat. Edited October 5, 2017 by turnin' two Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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