RockRaines Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 10, 2017 -> 05:41 AM) My wife was sexually harassed interviewing for a law job with EEOC many years ago. It is everywhere. She was going to file a charge, but was worried her name would be mud, and her career would be over before it began. Of course that is where long dong Silver came from. Anita Hill wasn't lying. I've had women at almost every job come up to me and disclose harassment just looking for someone to help. Go to a bar in the river north area for happy hour and you can watch it happen in real time. Its awful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 QUOTE (Brian @ Nov 10, 2017 -> 01:40 PM) Not sure how to react to it. Kudos for coming clean and admitting your problem, but WTF? What's the "WTF?" about? Just curious. Obviously what he did is problematic is a huge way, but I think this is the best example of how to handle it that we've seen to date. Not saying it absolves him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 QUOTE (Reddy @ Nov 10, 2017 -> 11:19 AM) What's the "WTF?" about? Just curious. Obviously what he did is problematic is a huge way, but I think this is the best example of how to handle it that we've seen to date. Not saying it absolves him. “I finally see how deeply my actions have affected other people emotionally since they are now affecting me financially.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 I dunno, it read like legitimate regret and introspection without asking for anything in return to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 At least he's not giving a denial/i'm now seeking treatment response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonWeltall Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 10, 2017 -> 07:28 PM) I dunno, it read like legitimate regret and introspection without asking for anything in return to me. Yeah, it sounds sincere, and like he didn't realize how badly his actions were affecting those women until they came forward with their stories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 Eff that. Maybe it reads like that in a vacuum. This crap has been going on for years with this guy and everyone knows it. There have been all sorts of attempts to silence people. Where was his remorse back then? Today he realizes remorse when they cancel his movie opening? Screw him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 Here he is just 2 months ago. So remorseful! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Nov 10, 2017 -> 02:01 PM) Eff that. Maybe it reads like that in a vacuum. This crap has been going on for years with this guy and everyone knows it. There have been all sorts of attempts to silence people. Where was his remorse back then? Today he realizes remorse when they cancel his movie opening? Screw him. I agree with this. The women have been upset about this for a long time, and it wasn't a big secret. He said nothing until it cost him money. NYT expose, s*** got real. Time to apologize. His agent even may have messed with the accusers' careers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 He's a s***ty guy who needs to go away and not just be forgiven for realizing he's s***ty, but I'm not sure what would even make a "good" apology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 Ya, DA said it somewhere before but I'm just immune to apologies at this point. Maybe it's sincere, I don't f***in know the guy but f*** that. No one comes clean or apologizes until they're caught, everyone is just sorry they were caught. The end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 10, 2017 -> 12:07 PM) He's a s***ty guy who needs to go away and not just be forgiven for realizing he's s***ty, but I'm not sure what would even make a "good" apology. Maybe one that doesn't include listing all your TV credits. WTF is that all about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted November 10, 2017 Author Share Posted November 10, 2017 QUOTE (Reddy @ Nov 10, 2017 -> 01:19 PM) What's the "WTF?" about? Just curious. Obviously what he did is problematic is a huge way, but I think this is the best example of how to handle it that we've seen to date. Not saying it absolves him. WTF as in I don't get his or anyone's mindset at the time. "Hi, I'm a big fan." "Great, let me show you my dick and stroke it in front of you." WTF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Nov 10, 2017 -> 03:07 PM) Ya, DA said it somewhere before but I'm just immune to apologies at this point. Maybe it's sincere, I don't f***in know the guy but f*** that. No one comes clean or apologizes until they're caught, everyone is just sorry they were caught. The end. I mean, why would you apologize publicly before you're caught? When all this started I reached out an apologized to an ex for a past transgression that'd been eating away at me for a long time, similar to what CK describes, but I hadn't had the guts or the push to make amends (the relationship didn't end well). The #MeToo movement caused me to do so. But I did it privately. If I were a public figure, should I have been expected to make that apology publicly? Not taking a side on this, just honestly asking for perspectives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 I guess it's just that there's no real way to apologize for what he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 Yeah, one may as well not apologize, because it just seems to lather up the crowds even more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 QUOTE (Reddy @ Nov 10, 2017 -> 12:19 PM) I mean, why would you apologize publicly before you're caught? When all this started I reached out an apologized to an ex for a past transgression that'd been eating away at me for a long time, similar to what CK describes, but I hadn't had the guts or the push to make amends (the relationship didn't end well). The #MeToo movement caused me to do so. But I did it privately. If I were a public figure, should I have been expected to make that apology publicly? Not taking a side on this, just honestly asking for perspectives. Didn't look like he was privately apologizing for any of this either as his denials from 2 months ago reflect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (Reddy @ Nov 10, 2017 -> 02:19 PM) I mean, why would you apologize publicly before you're caught? When all this started I reached out an apologized to an ex for a past transgression that'd been eating away at me for a long time, similar to what CK describes, but I hadn't had the guts or the push to make amends (the relationship didn't end well). The #MeToo movement caused me to do so. But I did it privately. If I were a public figure, should I have been expected to make that apology publicly? Not taking a side on this, just honestly asking for perspectives. He could have apologized privately years ago. He apologizes now when everyone is going down. There were rumors upon rumors upon rumors with this guy. If he would have done that say up to 6 months ago, he may not have had this story in the NYT. The fact that so many guys are apologizing, to me shows they have done this to many, many women and/or men or children. If it was just a one off, they most likely would be doing what Jeremy Piven is doing, denying it, making it he said/she said. You have a few more to back up similar claims, you can't do this. Edited November 10, 2017 by Dick Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 Ellen Page posted something on Facebook this morning that everyone should read http://variety.com/2017/film/news/ellen-pa...len-1202612134/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (Brian @ Nov 10, 2017 -> 03:15 PM) WTF as in I don't get his or anyone's mindset at the time. "Hi, I'm a big fan." "Great, let me show you my dick and stroke it in front of you." WTF? I think that's simplifying it, but I totally hear you. I don't know - or haven't read - about the complete extent of the relationships these women had with CK. Completely independent from this situation, in which clearly CK was wrong and at fault and used his power to manipulate and abuse these women, my question is......... has anyone here ever sent *inappropriate* photos via phone pre-emptively with a woman (or man) you've been talking to and the conversation moves in a flirty/sexual direction? And by that I mean, before a woman has expressly said "hey send me a photo"? There's... an art to flirting, right? Knowing the right moments to do and say the right things, and often times those *right* moments aren't expressly said, because that takes the fun out of it - on both sides. Y'all can't honestly tell me that all of your sexual interactions have gone according to a politically correct formula. That's where this line becomes blurry, because one person may be interpreting signals one way, and one may be on a completely different planet, but you don't know unless you 1) make a move or 2) ask. If it's a woman who's actually interested, asking often turns them off. If they aren't, making the move is the WRONG choice. But you DON'T KNOW which that person IS until you try one! That's the whole f***ing difficulty with all of this, and these days, as a single guy, it's honestly paralyzing. Edited November 10, 2017 by Reddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 10, 2017 -> 03:25 PM) He could have apologized privately years ago. He apologizes now when everyone is going down. There were rumors upon rumors upon rumors with this guy. If he would have done that say up to 6 months ago, he may not have had this story in the NYT. The fact that so many guys are apologizing, to me shows they have done this to many, many women and/or men or children. If it was just a one off, they most likely would be doing what Jeremy Piven is doing, denying it, making it he said/she said. You have a few more to back up similar claims, you can't do this. I didn't apologize until this movement. Does that make me a s***ty human as well? Or does it just make me human? Dunno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 10, 2017 -> 03:21 PM) I guess it's just that there's no real way to apologize for what he did. So he shouldn't do it? That seems weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 QUOTE (Reddy @ Nov 10, 2017 -> 12:29 PM) Completely independent from this situation, in which clearly CK was wrong and at fault and used his power to manipulate and abuse these women, my question is......... has anyone here ever sent *inappropriate* photos via phone pre-emptively? And by that I mean, before a woman has expressly said "hey send me a photo"? No. That's some level 100 creep s***. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Nov 10, 2017 -> 03:30 PM) No. That's some level 100 creep s***. You're in a f***ing flirty conversation man. Read what I'm f***ing saying. Maybe you don't have many conversations like that. I don't know. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 I'm not saying you send a f***ing picture without having a relationship with that person. I'm not talking about out of the f***ing blue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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