The Sexual Assault problem

[greg775]

And that's the slippery slope. Personally, I don't see it as predatory to go out for drinks with a girl and end up back at one of your places to bang. It's never been that way until recently.

They were called one night stands. Are these now a thing of the past in college? After reading this thread, sounds like the days of one night stands are over.

[Soxbadger]

You guys are talking in the abstract about something that is very fact specific.

 

The inequity comes from far fewer males report being raped by women than vice versa. Its impossible to guess what would happen if drunk guys started reporting that they were raped by girls.

 

[iamshack]

You guys are talking in the abstract about something that is very fact specific.

 

The inequity comes from far fewer males report being raped by women than vice versa. Its impossible to guess what would happen if drunk guys started reporting that they were raped by girls.

It certainly is not.

 

It might be impossible to predict what the likelihood of a successful prosecution might be, but I can guess right now that the police would give you the same look that Arnold used to give Mr. Drummond on Different Strokes when he said "Watchu talkin' bout, Mr. D"?

[RockRaines]

They were called one night stands. Are these now a thing of the past in college? After reading this thread, sounds like the days of one night stands are over.

Well s***, they can track you down so easily now. There is no way that person is forgotten or never to be heard from again. They are right in your face

[Reddy]

There were no qualifications for that statement. e: meant for Reddy

 

Nobody wants a dick pic, ever.

I can personally attest to the fact that's not entirely accurate, as I have some female acquaintances who will, on occasion, when drunk, text me to send pics

[Soxbadger]

This is a crazy argument. If one group does something more often than other group we should hold them to different standards of the law?

 

There's more women getting killed by men than vice versa. Should we have different enforcement of the laws on murder too?

 

Youre misunderstanding. I have no idea if they are held to different standards because (and I could be wrong) but less males report being raped while drunk than females, so its impossible to speculate what would happen if equal amount of males and females reported being raped due to being drunk.

 

You are just presupposing there is a different standard. I am saying, I dont know if there is, because its much more rare for a male to report being raped due to being intoxicated.

[Soxbadger]

It certainly is not.

 

It might be impossible to predict what the likelihood of a successful prosecution might be, but I can guess right now that the police would give you the same look that Arnold used to give Mr. Drummond on Different Strokes when he said "Watchu talkin' bout, Mr. D"?

 

You may be right, but its based entirely on speculation, not on facts. If all of a sudden there are a bunch of reports that males are being raped while drunk and police arent investigating, we could discuss. But as of now its just entirely speculation.

[StrangeSox]

It certainly is not.

 

It might be impossible to predict what the likelihood of a successful prosecution might be, but I can guess right now that the police would give you the same look that Arnold used to give Mr. Drummond on Different Strokes when he said "Watchu talkin' bout, Mr. D"?

Where's anyone saying that it's good or okay that it's hard for a man to get an accusation of harassment or abuse taken seriously

[iamshack]

Where's anyone saying that it's good or okay that it's hard for a man to get an accusation of harassment or abuse taken seriously

The same place where I am accusing anyone of saying that.

 

Just pointing out that it likely doesn't happen often because society and cultural norms prohibit it.

[StrangeSox]

If you look at people who talk about "rape culture" I think you'll find that the majority agree that it harms men, too.

 

Heck, just look at how many of these Hollywood cases involve men being abused but pressured into silence.

 

It just seems like a weird point to bring up because it's not like police frequently take claims of sexual assault by women all that seriously, either. Sexual abuse for any gender is shamed and swept under the rug.

[iamshack]

If you look at people who talk about "rape culture" I think you'll find that the majority agree that it harms men, too.

 

Heck, just look at how many of these Hollywood cases involve men being abused but pressured into silence.

 

It just seems like a weird point to bring up because it's not like police frequently take claims of sexual assault by women all that seriously, either. Sexual abuse for any gender is shamed and swept under the rug.

We will agree to disagree.

[caulfield12]

Why aren’t GOP families in AL encouraging their 16-17 year old daughters to embrace guys over 30?

Because if it worked so well for Joseph and Mary, shouldn’t that produce even more prophets for society?

 

 

Pro-life? Let’s make it more expensive for loving families to adopt unwanted children!

https://epeak.in/2017/11/03/the-republican-...adopt-children/

 

How anyone who actually patterns their life on the New Testament could support this is beyond me. Did Jesus ever wield a weapon that wasn’t in the form of challenging words and parables?

 

 

A final irony is the fact that most of the religious/fundamentalist schools in the South came into existence in the 60’s and 70’s to provide an escape from public schools after the desegregation decisions started rolling in...but it’s really about “religious freedom.”

 

 

Edited November 12, 2017 by caulfield12

[Soxbadger]

https://mic.com/articles/186033/george-take...-him#.HCW6m5HDz

 

This is the best one yet. George Takei says Russians are setting him up lol

 

That is actually not what he said. He said that he believes Russian bots are amplifying the story. I have no idea whether it is true or not. It seems like his belief is connected to an alleged attack on his facebook page after he was critical of Putin.

 

 

[Reddy]

That is actually not what he said. He said that he believes Russian bots are amplifying the story. I have no idea whether it is true or not. It seems like his belief is connected to an alleged attack on his facebook page after he was critical of Putin.

Which is in no way unreasonable. Also, I don't honestly care about a guy making a move on another guy on a date 40 years ago and then stopping after the second guy said no (which is what I've gleaned is the accusation). Even if it happened, it's not a thing. And it detracts from the ACTUAL real instances of assault and harassment that have and do take place. However, if MORE comes out, and it becomes a pattern that has continued, that's a whole different story

 

But I will make one note to our friend rabbit. You notice that famous liberals who get accused lose their careers, are publicly admonished by fellow liberals, and have charges brought against them.

 

What happens to famous conservatives who get accused? They raise money off it, and their base rallies behind them. Yeah. So. There's that.

Edited November 13, 2017 by Reddy

[Soxbadger]

I think the accusations against Takei are a little more serious than a move gone wrong. IMO the implication was that Takei either drugged him or over served him to the point of incapacitation and then tried to have non-consensual sex.

[Quin]

I think the accusations against Takei are a little more serious than a move gone wrong. IMO the implication was that Takei either drugged him or over served him to the point of incapacitation and then tried to have non-consensual sex.

 

Takei's is really f***ed up. Especially when you listen to his Howard Stern interview.

 

It was basically "grab 'em by the cock" instead of "grab 'em by the p****"

[Reddy]

I think the accusations against Takei are a little more serious than a move gone wrong. IMO the implication was that Takei either drugged him or over served him to the point of incapacitation and then tried to have non-consensual sex.

I've been working like crazy and was going off my twitterverse. Just read the actual allegations and yeah, you're right that they're more serious than that. I'm just extremely conflicted about all of this stuff. Does a person's lifetime of good work get expunged because of one hookup gone wrong in 1981? The Moore case is iron-clad and corroborated out the wazoo. This one isn't yet. Do we automatically believe every single person who makes an accusation regardless of the merits of the case, even if it will inherently lead to condemning an innocent person (not saying it is or isn't Takei in this case) simply to right decades of wrongs? Are sacrifices for the greater good necessary? Is this more of a big deal because he's gay (same with Spacey, though that's definitely categorically worse)? And re: consent, it's such a cloudy, murky, NON-black and white thing that we as a culture are trying to portray as black and white at this moment in history. I'm just really deeply conflicted about all of it, and wish that we as a society could have the type of complex conversation that's needed without vilifying everyone who wants to have it. Takei may have done some s***ty things, and if they're confirmed, corroborated, etc, I'll be consistent in my condemnation. But I'm just struggling through all of this to find the right answer, and this witch hunt, which didn't start out as a witch hunt but has now truly become one, I think, isn't it. It'll create, and has already created, a backlash. And we know what happens with backlashes. See election 2016. Sorry for rambling. Just trying to sort it all out for myself.

 

EDIT: Witch hunt was the wrong phrase... note to self just never say "witch hunt" haha. I do understand that it's happening because more and more survivors are feeling empowered to speak out, and that's a good thing, but I think we're kind of hitting a point of diminishing returns on effectiveness - although maybe I'm wrong.

Edited November 13, 2017 by Reddy

[StrangeSox]

HW Bush is facing another allegation, this time that he groped a 16 year old back in 2002

[Reddy]

I am not on a team. I am conservative ideologically when it comes to fiscal policy and government. So if Trump wastes money with spending policy or a republican candidate is accused of rape, that's not a knock on me. If you think I align with these southern evangelical conservatives you're just being a lazy American with the partisan politics. I realize both sides are inept. Also, I posted a link on an actor being an idiot. I don't see why you think I have to answer for the republican party as a result.

I don't need you to answer to anything but your own consistency.

[Balta1701]

HW Bush is facing another allegation, this time that he groped a 16 year old back in 2002

He basically admitted this and said in his statement "This is a joke he's been using for a long time", so yeah he's a creepy old guy who has been taking advantage of girls and admitted it. He wouldn't have just started doing that when he wound up in a wheelchair, it was something he was ok doing for a long time. Nothing will ever happen to him. We ought to judge him based on this. His presidential library is on campus here and I can say with confidence I'm not paying for that ticket. I can't do much, but I can do that.

[LittleHurt05]

HW Bush is facing another allegation, this time that he groped a 16 year old back in 2002

 

He's already issued an apology for that one too. The "old man w/ dementia" excuse isn't gonna hold up when it's at least 15 years ago.

[Balta1701]

I am not on a team. I am conservative ideologically when it comes to fiscal policy and government. So if Trump wastes money with spending policy or a republican candidate is accused of rape, that's not a knock on me. If you think I align with these southern evangelical conservatives you're just being a lazy American with the partisan politics. I realize both sides are inept. Also, I posted a link on an actor being an idiot. I don't see why you think I have to answer for the republican party as a result.

A child molester is on a path to being elected the Senator from Alabama. He is going to vote to support the tax cuts you want for "conservative fiscal policy". He is also going to push the kinds of evangelical policies you slightly disparage there as his main goal.

 

You don't live in his state. But you're going to vote for Republicans in the Senate and House who will be able to pass their policies using his vote. You have a choice here. You can decide that until the Republicans expel an actual child molester from the Senate - which they will have the ability to do - you won't vote for Republicans at the national level. Or, you can say "I'm ok enough with child molestation to still vote for Republicans at the National Level as long as I get my tax cut package".

 

People who voted for Republicans at the national level in the last election already said that last sentence with sexual assault, now they get to say it with statutory rape. The Republican part of Alabama and a number of national commenters have made it clear that they are absolutely ok enough with child molestation to look the other way if it was reported on by the Washington Post or if the guy says he loves Jesus enough. All that is left is for the entire party to say it.

 

We have a guy who I'd consider to be quite corrupt as the Senator from New Jersey. He will probably not get convicted because the (Republican dominated) supreme court eviscerated the public corruption laws a couple years ago, but he should be. That said - his vote is protecting health care coverage for 20 million people right now. If he is removed before Januar, Chris Christie gets to appoint his replacement and that could well end health care coverage for that huge pile of people. So can I tolerate a corrupt Senator for another 2 months to keep that many people alive? Yeah I'm ok with that. It's money. I'll even take a hung jury for now - it's not like he raped someone. Would I tolerate a child molester for that? I sure hope not.

[southsider2k5]

Which is in no way unreasonable. Also, I don't honestly care about a guy making a move on another guy on a date 40 years ago and then stopping after the second guy said no (which is what I've gleaned is the accusation). Even if it happened, it's not a thing. And it detracts from the ACTUAL real instances of assault and harassment that have and do take place. However, if MORE comes out, and it becomes a pattern that has continued, that's a whole different story

 

But I will make one note to our friend rabbit. You notice that famous liberals who get accused lose their careers, are publicly admonished by fellow liberals, and have charges brought against them.

 

What happens to famous conservatives who get accused? They raise money off it, and their base rallies behind them. Yeah. So. There's that.

 

Bill Clinton said hi.

[Reddy]

Bill Clinton said hi.

He was impeached. So by that logic you support the impeachment of Trump, yes?

[StrangeSox]

The national gop does seem to be coming out against Moore.

 

Which is good because there's another accuser who just came out with allegations that he abused her when she was 15.

 

Burn the entire Alabama GOP to the ground though