southsider2k5 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 QUOTE (Reddy @ Nov 13, 2017 -> 01:37 PM) He was impeached. So by that logic you support the impeachment of Trump, yes? You notice that famous liberals who get accused lose their careers, are publicly admonished by fellow liberals, in fact what happened was They raise money off it, and their base rallies behind them. Yeah. So. There's that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 (edited) How many people in Alabama knew about this, why didn't strange bring this up during the primary He signed her year book good Lord Edited November 13, 2017 by StrangeSox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 13, 2017 -> 01:35 PM) Bill Clinton said hi. Something funny about using Clinton as your retort when he in fact was impeached. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 He was impeached by Republicans and is still held in high regard by many Democrats and people in general fwiw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 I know Clinton was a womanizer, but unless im missing something here(did Clinton get busted with someone underage?) there is a large gap between a serial cheater and a pedophile. While i dont respect Clintons feelings about the sanctity of marriage, I wouldnt worry about him being around my underage daughter. Moore, on the other hand, was known to hang around HS football games and the mall looking for girls. Thats seriously f***ed up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Clinton is alleged to have raped and assaulted women and definitely abused his power like many of these Hollywood guys. That is not as bad as child molestation but that's a low hurdle. Clinton shouldn't enjoy the reputation that he has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 13, 2017 -> 02:56 PM) in fact what happened was Bud. Is this the corner you really want to be fighting from? The corner defending the pedophile? Yeah? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 13, 2017 -> 02:14 PM) Clinton is alleged to have raped and assaulted women and definitely abused his power like many of these Hollywood guys. That is not as bad as child molestation but that's a low hurdle. Clinton shouldn't enjoy the reputation that he has. I mean, he really doesnt have that great of a reputation..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 QUOTE (Reddy @ Nov 13, 2017 -> 02:21 PM) Bud. Is this the corner you really want to be fighting from? The corner defending the pedophile? Yeah? It isn't the corner I am fighting from. It is the corner where you pretend that only one party defends sexual predators. That isn't at all true, victim "THAT WOMAN" shaming at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 13, 2017 -> 03:31 PM) It isn't the corner I am fighting from. It is the corner where you pretend that only one party defends sexual predators. That isn't at all true, victim "THAT WOMAN" shaming at all. One party does it with significantly higher frequency than the other. You know that. That's why you have to go back 20 years to find a liberal example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 13, 2017 -> 03:31 PM) It isn't the corner I am fighting from. It is the corner where you pretend that only one party defends sexual predators. That isn't at all true, victim "THAT WOMAN" shaming at all. How'd we do defending Anthony Weiner? Spitzer? John Edwards? On the flip side, Newt still seems to be doing great, doesn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 QUOTE (Reddy @ Nov 13, 2017 -> 02:47 PM) One party does it with significantly higher frequency than the other. You know that. That's why you have to go back 20 years to find a liberal example. lol, you keep telling yourself that. It is all about power protecting power. Nothing more, nothing less. It why Hollywood protected its own, and it is why Washington takes care of its own. Turning it into a political ideology it exactly what turns out people who "protect" Roy Moore by making party more important than country., Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 13, 2017 -> 03:56 PM) lol, you keep telling yourself that. It is all about power protecting power. Nothing more, nothing less. It why Hollywood protected its own, and it is why Washington takes care of its own. Turning it into a political ideology it exactly what turns out people who "protect" Roy Moore by making party more important than country., Do you have further examples of Dems defending sexual predators within their ranks in order to win elections? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 QUOTE (Reddy @ Nov 13, 2017 -> 03:57 PM) Do you have further examples of Dems defending sexual predators within their ranks in order to win elections? If you want good reason to buy the Juanita Broddrick rape allegation against Bill Clinton it's outlined here. It's pretty strong and the comebacks are the sort of "why isn't the victim acting like I expect them to" that we should stop doing. Many of the others did not hold up based on physical claims, but that one does seem to stand out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 QUOTE (Reddy @ Nov 13, 2017 -> 02:57 PM) Do you have further examples of Dems defending sexual predators within their ranks in order to win elections? Id bet almost anything it’s definitely happened at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted November 13, 2017 Author Share Posted November 13, 2017 Anyone else watch John Oliver last night? "But the Clintons", "But Bill Clinton" etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 13, 2017 -> 05:28 PM) Id bet almost anything it’s definitely happened at some point. Literally right now the Republican Party can do something about it. They can vote for a vastly better human being. Or they can refuse to seat him and give up a vote available to them in the Senate when he wins. We will see. None of their statements about how they wouldn't work with Trump held for a second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Politicizing pedophilia is pretty cheap. There's an obvious correlation/causation break in logic, but don't let that stop any of you from pushing your agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 13, 2017 -> 02:56 PM) lol, you keep telling yourself that. It is all about power protecting power. Nothing more, nothing less. It why Hollywood protected its own, and it is why Washington takes care of its own. Turning it into a political ideology it exactly what turns out people who "protect" Roy Moore by making party more important than country., You can imagine Obama having an Access Hollywood-ish comment coming out and it not sinking him? “Cling to their guns and religion” almost lost him the presidency. We have to talk about degrees of severity here. Moore and Trump are equal to Clinton? I don’t think so...because you’re talking about consensual adult relations (where the accuser got her revenge) versus a situation that underage high school girls (one a Trump voter today) never stood a chance. Even in 2017 Alabama, the only chance they have is a modernized version of To Kill A Mockingbird with Atticus Finch as their attorney. The very idea of defending behavior that borders on pedophilia is scary...and it won’t be accepted by the American people, women in particular. Clinton has tarnished his reputation in many ways with Dems, no moreso that the comments during the 2008 Democratic primary in South Carolina. He helped cost the Dems elections in 2000 (Gore ran a terrible campaign as well) and 2016, and that isn’t forgotten. Yet, at the end of the day, at least we can admire his intellect and political acumen. Those on the GOP side can likewise admire GHW Bush, Trump, Moore, Hastert, Newt Gingrich, Larry Craig...the difference is that Dems don’t often use religious faith to justify their behavior and hypocrisy. There are undoubtedly equally bad actors on both sides, but that whole Family Values tagline is getting more and more unseemly by the day. (PS, Jimmy Carter is arguably the only president going back to at least FDR without a string of marital affairs/indiscretions...and did more after leaving office than any modern-day leader. In a further irony, his religious beliefs were used against him due to his painfully honest “lust in my heart” comments.) Edited November 13, 2017 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Nov 13, 2017 -> 03:36 PM) Politicizing pedophilia is pretty cheap. There's an obvious correlation/causation break in logic, but don't let that stop any of you from pushing your agenda. Otoh don't vote for pedophiles seems like a simple and good rule, and that's on top of a million other reasons Moore should never, ever be a senator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 13, 2017 -> 03:38 PM) You can imagine Obama having an Access Hollywood-ish comment coming out and it not sinking him? “Cling to their guns and religion” almost lost him the presidency. We have to talk about degrees of severity here. Moore and Trump are equal to Clinton? I don’t think so...because you’re talking about consensual adult relations (where the accuser got her revenge) versus a situation that underage high school girls (one a Trump voter today) never stood a chance. Even in 2017 Alabama, the only chance they have is a modernized version of To Kill A Mockingbird with Atticus Finch as their attorney. The very idea of defending behavior that borders on pedophilia is scary...and it won’t be accepted by the American people, women in particular. Clinton has tarnished his reputation in many ways with Dems, no moreso that the comments during the 2008 Democratic primary in South Carolina. He helped cost the Dems elections in 2000 (Gore ran a terrible campaign as well) and 2016, and that isn’t forgotten. Yet, at the end of the day, at least we can admire his intellect and political acumen. Those on the GOP side can likewise admire GHW Bush, Trump, Moore, Hastert, Newt Gingrich, Larry Craig...the difference is that Dems don’t often use religious faith to justify their behavior and hypocrisy. There are undoubtedly equally bad actors on both sides, but that whole Family Values tagline is getting more and more unseemly by the day. (PS, Jimmy Carter is arguably the only president going back to at least FDR without a string of marital affairs/indiscretions...and did more after leaving office than any modern-day leader. In a further irony, his religious beliefs were used against him due to his painfully honest “lust in my heart” comments.) I don't think there have ever been any allegations about extra marital affairs with Obama. He seems like a stand up guy in that regard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 13, 2017 -> 05:07 PM) I don't think there have ever been any allegations about extra marital affairs with Obama. He seems like a stand up guy in that regard. Tan suit & djion mustard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 13, 2017 -> 03:34 PM) Literally right now the Republican Party can do something about it. They can vote for a vastly better human being. Or they can refuse to seat him and give up a vote available to them in the Senate when he wins. We will see. None of their statements about how they wouldn't work with Trump held for a second. They can refuse to seat him or expel him and replace him with someone else chosen by the Republican governor in Alabama, don't even have to give up the seat if he wins. It'll cause major issues within the party though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 Roy Moore had been banned from a mall in gadsden, Al for harassing tend according to local residents, including lawyers and police. https://t.co/2PiK8XzRT8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Nov 13, 2017 -> 04:36 PM) Politicizing pedophilia is pretty cheap. There's an obvious correlation/causation break in logic, but don't let that stop any of you from pushing your agenda. Wat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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