The Sexual Assault problem

[StrangeSox]

No, this is so cynical. There is an opportunity here to actually change things. Your comment is so similar to the "So ALL cops are bad!? we get it" comments. If the people that take advantage of their power, for one, are held accountable for this behavior maybe it stops.

 

But now that there are so many stories where people are putting their name on the line as accusers we hit a point where we just say "we get it, all men are bad, blah blah get over it".

 

No, let the offenders face real consequences. Nothing was truly being solved by just paying out victims silently.

 

Yeah, the story just went from, "it was one woman from before he was a Senator. She accepted his apology and he called for an ethics investigation; let's see where this goes" to "at least two women including one while he was actually in office."

 

Even beyond the sexual allegations and Franken himself, this has national political implications for major policies given how tenuous everything is in the Senate right now. Of course this is going to be a national story.

[StrangeSox]

Let's prepare for a never-ending parade of dips*** politicians being accused of touching women's asses now.

 

Let's prepare for their gross asses getting tossed out of power instead of it being swept under the rug.

[bmags]

No, you are naive.

 

This is not going to stop men, particularly old men that are no longer getting laid, from being perverts.

 

It can remove the position that enables them to do it so freely.

[StrangeSox]

There is good reason to be concerned about this becoming politically weaponized with made-up allegations (we saw that already with bs twitter claim against Blumenthal), but so far these stories all appear to be well-reported and well-sourced including people that were told when the alleged sexual misconduct happened. I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't be extremely skeptical of some 'reporting' by Breitbart, but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

 

In the mean time, these allegations seeing the light of day and people facing at least some sort of consequences for it is good. It'd be nice to have a functional justice system where we didn't have to rely on media and popular pressure for something to happen, but this is better than nothing.

[RockRaines]

She had a very dormant twitter account until she started following trump and now this. Kind of strange, but we cannot dismiss it just because it seems weird.

[Brian]

Taylor Swift just won a counter-suit on this same thing. The women felt violated then it is obviously wrong. Pretty cut and dry.

[bmags]

He's going to have an opportunity to defend himself, but his last attempt was "I'm sorry she took it this way" and that's not going to fly twice.

[RockRaines]

Taylor Swift just won a counter-suit on this same thing. The women felt violated then it is obviously wrong. Pretty cut and dry.

part of that was the clear cut photo evidence though wasnt it?

[Brian]

part of that was the clear cut photo evidence though wasnt it?

 

Probably. Although you don't actually see his hand on her butt, but it looks pretty clear.

The case was pretty much word vs word and the fact she was only counter suing for $1, made me believe it was legit and she wanted to prove a point.

[StrangeSox]

NYT WH Correspondent Glenn Thrush has been suspended pending investigation of multiple allegations against him

 

Exclusive: NYT White House correspondent Glenn Thrush’s history of bad judgment around young women journalists

[greg775]

"Don't put your hands on a woman's ass" seems pretty straight forward.

 

e: where else are they supposed to go to expose these creeps?

Amen. Kudos to the women who are telling the truth and bring this to public scrutiny. Now if they are lying that's a different story.

 

No, this is so cynical. There is an opportunity here to actually change things. Your comment is so similar to the "So ALL cops are bad!? we get it" comments. If the people that take advantage of their power, for one, are held accountable for this behavior maybe it stops.

 

But now that there are so many stories where people are putting their name on the line as accusers we hit a point where we just say "we get it, all men are bad, blah blah get over it".

 

No, let the offenders face real consequences. Nothing was truly being solved by just paying out victims silently.

Great post. Excellent IMO.

 

No, you are naive.

 

This is not going to stop men, particularly old men that are no longer getting laid, from being perverts.

It's not right for a man to grab a woman's butt or vice versa. You got to pay the price if you do it.

[Reddy]

As a performer, I've had my ass grabbed by more women than I can count, and I've even been kissed a couple of times. Thoughts?

[TaylorStSox]

As societal views of race relations changed, a number of politicians were forgiven for the positions they held. I wonder if the same will be done as societal views on the objectification of women changes.

 

There should be a distinction between those that are guilty of being dirty old men and those that used their power to abuse women sexually. Franken's case seems pretty benign when compared to Weinstein and CK, imo.

[RockRaines]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-50...four-women.html

 

Bill Clinton faces more accusations.

Edward Klein is the former editor in chief of the New York Times Magazine and the author of numerous bestsellers including his fourth book on the Clintons, Guilty as Sin, in 2016. His latest book is All Out War: The Plot to Destroy Trump was released on October 30, 2017.

 

I love that we are taking a time machine back to the 90's to distract from the actual president's legal issues.

[bmags]

As a performer, I've had my ass grabbed by more women than I can count, and I've even been kissed a couple of times. Thoughts?

 

What does "as a performer" mean. Like, while you were on stage performing?

 

If you were at work and a coworker was grabbing your ass and kissing you against your will then yes that is wrong. But given your tendencies to welcome any interaction with those you perceive as "in industry", I'm guessing the moral of the story is you loved it.

[StrangeSox]

I love that we are taking a time machine back to the 90's to distract from the actual president's legal issues.

 

It is the Daily Mail, but the article claims to have contacted Clinton's lawyers and verified that they know there are lawsuits coming.

 

Bill's long been a scumbag. I wouldn't exactly be shocked about new allegations.

[RockRaines]

It is the Daily Mail, but the article claims to have contacted Clinton's lawyers and verified that they know there are lawsuits coming.

 

Bill's long been a scumbag. I wouldn't exactly be shocked about new allegations.

Its the daily mail and the author is a prominent anti-clinton writer who sells books on the topic. Super excited to see what becomes of it. If its nothing at least we can still investigate Hillary again

[Reddy]

What does "as a performer" mean. Like, while you were on stage performing?

 

If you were at work and a coworker was grabbing your ass and kissing you against your will then yes that is wrong. But given your tendencies to welcome any interaction with those you perceive as "in industry", I'm guessing the moral of the story is you loved it.

 

The f*** is this comment? Personal attacks still aren't allowed, kids.

 

It was by audience members both while performing and after while taking photos.

 

[StrangeSox]

My thought is that sexual harassment/assault is bad when it happens to men as well.

[bmags]

The f*** is this comment? Personal attacks still aren't allowed, kids.

 

It was by audience members both while performing and after while taking photos.

 

Why would that behavior be okay? I get that you may not deem it "worth" pursuing some audience member. But now imagine it was someone you admired and respected you and they treated you like trash?

 

Those people should be thrown out of the venue and banned from the theatre. And you very well should have been given the option to pursue charges. Nothing about their ticket should allow assaulting a performer.

[Reddy]

Why would that behavior be okay? I get that you may not deem it "worth" pursuing some audience member. But now imagine it was someone you admired and respected you and they treated you like trash?

 

Those people should be thrown out of the venue and banned from the theatre. And you very well should have been given the option to pursue charges. Nothing about their ticket should allow assaulting a performer.

It's NOT ok! That was my damn point.

[Reddy]

bmags I think you missed that I called for Franken's resignation initially. But also, while I think it's a problem, let's not pretend that this is solely a thing men - and not women - do.

[Reddy]

It's NOT ok! That was my damn point.

I don't think the actions are ok. The thing that concerns me is the ability for a random person with a twitter account to take down a sitting legislator with 280 characters or less WITHOUT corroboration, witness accounts - you know, reporting and verification. The precedent being set is a dangerous one. With Weinstein, Moore, CK, Trump, etc, we've got CONFIRMED and verified information that has been vetted and substantiated. Both accusers vs. Franken have pretty shady and clearly political connections to the issue and NO witnesses or corroborating facts to the main parts of their stories. There's a difference. There really is.

[bmags]

Sigh. I gotta be honest - when you've taken tens of THOUSANDS of photos with people, the odds someone doesn't take something the wrong way is nonexistent. I think I'm getting desensitized. And that's not good. For me or this movement. Because I'm finding it hard to care about this one. Probably partially my bias, but also the idea that the average person with a social media account can now come out with a story about a political opponent and completely castrate them or cause them to resign, has me feeling uneasy about this whole thing.

 

But your quote is saying this is an example of someone taking offense to something that is due to a misunderstanding.

 

"Take something the wrong way".

 

You are correct that I should not have demeaned your personal experience, but your thread seemed to be that something like this "happens" so it shouldn't be punished. But it should! And maybe we don't know the appropriate punishment for it yet (resignation), but that's only because people didn't feel it was worth talking about.

 

That said I think he should resign. He has the opportunity to defend himself to frivelous claims, but his first defense was that it happened but he didn't think it was that bad.

[Reddy]

But your quote is saying this is an example of someone taking offense to something that is due to a misunderstanding.

 

"Take something the wrong way".

 

You are correct that I should not have demeaned your personal experience, but your thread seemed to be that something like this "happens" so it shouldn't be punished. But it should! And maybe we don't know the appropriate punishment for it yet (resignation), but that's only because people didn't feel it was worth talking about.

 

That said I think he should resign. He has the opportunity to defend himself to frivelous claims, but his first defense was that it happened but he didn't think it was that bad.

 

I think everyone should read this prior to deciding whether or not he should retire. WaPo Op-Ed. We should listen to women, IMO.

 

I'm a feminist, and I study rape culture, and I don't want Al Franken to resign.