The Sexual Assault problem

[StrangeSox]

What I heard this morning is that he isn't rerunning for re-election, but he is serving out his term. Has that changed?

 

Yes

[Iwritecode]

Looks like s4 of The Ranch is in jeopardy.

 

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/danny-...b474048242a?9o4

 

 

Looks like he'll be written out of the show in the middle of season 3.

 

https://tvline.com/2017/12/05/danny-masters...ason-3-netflix/

[bmags]

I gave Pelosi a lot of deserved crap for her tone-deaf and poor leadership immediately after the initial comments.

 

But here is some praise. While the latest allegation tipped the scale, she didn't wait for everything to blow over and had been working with the CBC to push him to step down.

[StrangeSox]

She also came out immediately against that freshman Rep from NV, calling for his resignation.

 

I'm worried that we're going to see a pattern emerge on who gets ethics committee investigations, who gets pressured to step down, and who just flatly denies it despite lots of witness and even written evidence with little or no consequences.

[greg775]

Matt Lauer should have been FIRED after this interview. Fired, fired fired. He asks Hathaway what lessons can be learned from her incident? Lessons? She was trying to get out of a car and a creep photographer shot her inappropriately as she got out of the car. WTF? And his interview with Sandra Bullock in which Bullock calls him out for being a creep. "I have seen you naked?" Jerk. This guy got exactly what he deserved. Rude.

 

 

[caulfield12]

That was my personal favorite part of this. Hooray for fiefdoms.

 

With extreme gerrymandering, why would it be a surprise that 80-85% of Congressional districts aren't even competitive every two years?

 

This always works both ways.

 

 

Many gathered inside Oak Hollow Farm's barn have dismissed the allegations (against Moore) as fake. Some didn't seem to mind them, even if true.

 

"What girl hasn't been kissed at 17 years old?" asked Diane Myrick, 69, of nearby Bon Secour. "I know a girl who got married at 14."

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/moore-foe-fought...--election.html

Edited December 6, 2017 by caulfield12

[GoSox05]

Another woman says Franken tried to forcibly kiss her

 

 

He needs to resign now or the Democratic Party needs to do something. Someone wake up Chuck Schumer.

[StrangeSox]

Another woman says Franken tried to forcibly kiss her

 

 

He needs to resign now or the Democratic Party needs to do something. Someone wake up Chuck Schumer.

 

Multiple Dem Senators are coming out today calling for his resignation.

 

Gillibrand, Hassan, Hirono, McCaskill so far

[southsider2k5]

Here comes the aftereffects.

 

New York Daily News‏Verified account @NYDailyNews 14m14 minutes ago DEVELOPING: New York Knicks owner James Dolan knew Harvey Weinstein was a predator, new suit claims http://nydn.us/2B6B5pE

 

 

Lena Dunham claims to have warned the Clinton Campaign about Weinstein as well.

 

https://pagesix.com/2017/12/06/lena-dunham-...dium=SocialFlow

[StrangeSox]

Multiple Dem Senators are coming out today calling for his resignation.

 

Gillibrand, Hassan, Hirono, McCaskill so far

 

You can add Harris to the list now, too, and I'm sure more will be coming.

 

e: add Murray, gotta imagine this is coordinated and will be every female Dem Senator.

Edited December 6, 2017 by StrangeSox

[StrangeSox]

Franken out, giving speech now.

 

[StrangeSox]

Meanwhile,

 

Speaker Ryan asked what the bar is for sexual assault allegations: "We’ve got to figure out how do we make sure all of these claims are respected and honored, that there is a system of due process and that there are standards that are being met"

— Heather Caygle (@heatherscope) December 7, 2017

 

Question came in light of fact Ryan called on Rep. Conyers to resign but didn't do the same for Rep. Farenthold who used $84k in taxpayer funds to settle sexual harassment claim https://t.co/QtzBoUwRgC

— Heather Caygle (@heatherscope) December 7, 2017

 

 

[Quin]

CNN and WashPo are working exposing 20-30 congressional members.

 

Franken and Conyers set the precedent, let's see what happens now.

[StrangeSox]

CNN and WashPo are working exposing 20-30 congressional members.

 

Franken and Conyers set the precedent, let's see what happens now.

 

Tim Kaine called for OOC to publicly disclose all claims and settlements against Senate members

 

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/363754-...nt-claims-filed

 

Sen. Tim Kaine (D-Va.) is asking the Senate to turn over information about the number of sexual harassment claims and settlements against upper chamber members and their staffers in a letter sent the same day Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) announced his resignation amid allegations of sexual misconduct.

 

The 2016 Democratic vice presidential nominee told the Senate Office of Compliance — the office tasked with handling congressional workplace complaints — that "in the interest of transparency," he plans to release the data.

 

"I plan to publicly disclose this information because I believe it will provide some insight into the scope of the problem and help determine solutions for preventing and addressing future incidents," Kaine wrote.

 

Kaine added that he will not release information that would "breach any confidentiality agreement between the parties or the identities of the survivors and the accused."

[BigSqwert]

Warren Moon, who does color commentary for Seahawks games out here, is taking leave as a sexual harassment suit is coming.

[greg775]

Two takes on Franken after hearing his speech.

a.) he didn't want to resign. Clearly he did not want to give up this job so he shouldn't have. He should have forced them to have a hearing, etc. Because again, he clearly didn't want to quit.

b.) If he was going to quit, which he did, he should have not given such a ridiculous speech in which he takes no blame and merely pulls a Kathy Griffin by saying Trump and Moore are bad, too. Not a strong effort, Al. I wouldn't call his speech very classy.

[Reddy]

Two takes on Franken after hearing his speech.

a.) he didn't want to resign. Clearly he did not want to give up this job so he shouldn't have. He should have forced them to have a hearing, etc. Because again, he clearly didn't want to quit.

b.) If he was going to quit, which he did, he should have not given such a ridiculous speech in which he takes no blame and merely pulls a Kathy Griffin by saying Trump and Moore are bad, too. Not a strong effort, Al. I wouldn't call his speech very classy.

I do think the resignation was the right move for the party, but otherwise, for once, I think you're right. Twas a bad speech.

[greg775]

I do think the resignation was the right move for the party, but otherwise, for once, I think you're right. Twas a bad speech.

My "problem" is he obviously wants to continue on and he says he is fully confident the Ethics Committee would have cleared him. He also in his only reference to his accusors was the fact he says he remembers the incidents differently but at the same time respects women enough that he needed to allow them to say what they felt happened did indeed happen.

Well, my guess is there will be more Al Frankens having to resign. Trump obviously should resign as well just because of the Access Hollywood interview. If he really said he grabs women intentionally, etc., he should get the boot as well. Him saying it's just locker room talk is kind of weak. there will be many more resignations to come over these type incidents is my guess.

 

But Franken did not want to quit. That's obvious. And if he was going to be cleared by the Ethics Committee as he felt, why not stay? He did say he wouldn't have time to do both his job and defend himself but I dont know about that. If he was going to resign he probably should have apologized at least. Of course if he admits guilt in any of these instances it could open him up to lawsuits.

Edited December 7, 2017 by greg775

[Balta1701]

One of Franken's victims rips the speech:

“I have to say that I’m so sad and appalled at his lack of response and him owning up to what he did,” Stephanie Kemplin, an army veteran who accused Franken of groping her while he was in Kuwait entertaining the troops in 2003, said on MSNBC.

 

“He just keeps passing the buck and making it out to be something that we — we took his behavior the wrong way or we misconstrued something or that we just — we just flat-out lied about what happened to us,” she continued.

 

Kemplin made the comments when asked if Franken’s resignation is justice for allegedly groping several women. Kemplin said that his resignation does not feel like justice to her and that she would like to see him acknowledge his behavior.

 

“Justice to me would be him owning up to what he did and to stop trying to pass the buck onto other individuals who possibly — they did commit the same things, maybe even more heinous than what he’s done,” she said, perhaps referencing to Franken’s comment in his resignation speech that President Donald Trump and Alabama Senate candidate Roy Moore have not seen the same repercussions for their alleged sexual misconduct.

[southsider2k5]

Turns out the younger Conyers is carrying on the family tradition of how to treat women.

 

http://www.tmz.com/2017/12/06/john-conyers...estic-violence/

[Reddy]

My "problem" is he obviously wants to continue on and he says he is fully confident the Ethics Committee would have cleared him. He also in his only reference to his accusors was the fact he says he remembers the incidents differently but at the same time respects women enough that he needed to allow them to say what they felt happened did indeed happen.

Well, my guess is there will be more Al Frankens having to resign. Trump obviously should resign as well just because of the Access Hollywood interview. If he really said he grabs women intentionally, etc., he should get the boot as well. Him saying it's just locker room talk is kind of weak. there will be many more resignations to come over these type incidents is my guess.

 

But Franken did not want to quit. That's obvious. And if he was going to be cleared by the Ethics Committee as he felt, why not stay? He did say he wouldn't have time to do both his job and defend himself but I dont know about that. If he was going to resign he probably should have apologized at least. Of course if he admits guilt in any of these instances it could open him up to lawsuits.

He resigned because Schumer convinced him it was better for the party, and the rest of his colleagues had turned against him. That's what politics is. It's a court of public opinion. Once you've lost it, it's hard to get it back.

[Reddy]

Turns out the younger Conyers is carrying on the family tradition of how to treat women.

 

http://www.tmz.com/2017/12/06/john-conyers...estic-violence/

File this under least surprising news of the day. That whole family's got some ridiculous skeletons.

[RockRaines]

He resigned because Schumer convinced him it was better for the party, and the rest of his colleagues had turned against him. That's what politics is. It's a court of public opinion. Once you've lost it, it's hard to get it back.

Yep. Even if Roger Stone orchestrated the Tweeden thing, there was enough smoke to make him have to go away. And we should also see every single settlement payment publicly available for the members of congress IMO. They are public servants and that should not be something that is private.

Edited December 7, 2017 by RockRaines

[StrangeSox]

Report: GOP Rep. Trent Franks to Resign, Possibly Over ‘Inappropriate Behavior’

[caulfield12]

What does everyone make of the Warren Moon case?

 

Seems the pendulum is going to swing back the other direction...that no married men (especially) dare hire any woman that's slightly attractive because the potential for things to blow up is too high to take a chance.

 

From reading some of the background, it seems like the woman in the case was very ambitious (which is fine, in and of itself, for men or women)...but that she allowed herself to be put in situations that would potentially be compromising, that she had some sort of inappropriate relationship with Moon, she traveled with him/stayed in a resort or hotel room on at least one or more occasions, it went south, she was demoted and then she's now seeking revenge/compensation.

 

After any workplace relationship goes wrong, does that mean that "sexual harassment" is now the umbrella for anything that's remotely inappropriate happening at work?

 

Moon's got a very spotty track record, I think there was a case of domestic violence/battery in his past (already)...my point is more along what PTAC's been arguing, these cases are very hard to "prove" one way or the other in a court of law, so what's going to settle in as the accepted standard?

 

Is there one standard for celebrities/elite/rich/athletes/politicians (usually settled out of court), and another for "regular" workers?

Edited December 8, 2017 by caulfield12