The Sexual Assault problem

[Quin]

Trent Franks was asking female staffers about surrogacy.

 

What the absolute f***?

[Kyyle23]

CNN/WaPo working on a story that 20-30 congress members about to be outed for sexual harassment/misconduct. Supposed to drop very soon

[greg775]

What does everyone make of the Warren Moon case?

 

Seems the pendulum is going to swing back the other direction...that no married men (especially) dare hire any woman that's slightly attractive because the potential for things to blow up is too high to take a chance.

 

From reading some of the background, it seems like the woman in the case was very ambitious (which is fine, in and of itself, for men or women)...but that she allowed herself to be put in situations that would potentially be compromising, that she had some sort of inappropriate relationship with Moon, she traveled with him/stayed in a resort or hotel room on at least one or more occasions, it went south, she was demoted and then she's now seeking revenge/compensation.

 

After any workplace relationship goes wrong, does that mean that "sexual harassment" is now the umbrella for anything that's remotely inappropriate happening at work?

 

Moon's got a very spotty track record, I think there was a case of domestic violence/battery in his past (already)...my point is more along what PTAC's been arguing, these cases are very hard to "prove" one way or the other in a court of law, so what's going to settle in as the accepted standard?

 

Is there one standard for celebrities/elite/rich/athletes/politicians (usually settled out of court), and another for "regular" workers?

My comment would be I'd like to think if a man boss behaves himself properly and does not sexually harass those who work for him ... I'd like to believe he'd avoid problems for himself with the company and/or the court system. Seriously. If you behave yourself I still have confidence in our legal system and I'd think companies would not fire the bosses without proper investigations. If you are innocent you have nothing to worry about I'd still like to believe (I can't believe I'm standing up for the suits here; I am normally not a huge fan of those CEOs who run certain businesses and the ultra rich certainly don't need Greg's support). But anyhow I can be naive, but I'd like to believe the law has your back if you are not guilty of sexual harassment. I'm sure there are many cases of people, men and women both, saying they got harassed to either a.) try to get some $$$ settlement or b.) get even with the boss for rude behavior.

 

CNN/WaPo working on a story that 20-30 congress members about to be outed for sexual harassment/misconduct. Supposed to drop very soon

Seriously? That is a fricking lot of congress members. Kick 'em all to the curb if they guilty. And I think Access Hollywood should release the Trump tape. Why not? have him say it out loud so we can get him impeached. Bernie baby in 2020!

[caulfield12]

Still nothing to follow-up this story? According to the time/date stamp, that was 7 hours ago.

 

 

Michael Trujillo‏

@mikehtrujillo

SOURCES: @CNN and @washingtonpost working on exposing 20-30 congressional members 4 sexual harassment. #DC

 

https://twitter.com/mikehtrujillo/status/938815136571129856

 

Here we go.

[StrangeSox]

it's some random dude who isn't a journalist or anything, I don't know why that spread so much.

[Jerksticks]

Not saying this applies to anything going on, but as a young man I "played the field" and wouldn't commit to a woman because I just wanted to experience what was out there. This led to a lot of bitter young women who made up plenty of false claims to slander me. I think their motives were often "well this will get his attention and scare off other women at the same time". A scorned woman is a powerful weapon and I was smeared like crazy for loving and not committing. Not proud of my actions looking back but I had plenty of false info spread about me that I had to unfairly answer for. I'm sure many of you experienced the same thing.

 

Not saying this applies to any of these famous cases, but that level of scorned & crazy is certainly out there in droves, men and women. Can't help but wonder. I'm proud of the women who were assaulted coming forward and i'm sorry for the men who are innocent. And we'll never know who is who since they are all guilty first. Human beings.

[caulfield12]

Not saying this applies to anything going on, but as a young man I "played the field" and wouldn't commit to a woman because I just wanted to experience what was out there. This led to a lot of bitter young women who made up plenty of false claims to slander me. I think their motives were often "well this will get his attention and scare off other women at the same time". A scorned woman is a powerful weapon and I was smeared like crazy for loving and not committing. Not proud of my actions looking back but I had plenty of false info spread about me that I had to unfairly answer for. I'm sure many of you experienced the same thing.

 

Not saying this applies to any of these famous cases, but that level of scorned & crazy is certainly out there in droves, men and women. Can't help but wonder. I'm proud of the women who were assaulted coming forward and i'm sorry for the men who are innocent. And we'll never know who is who since they are all guilty first. Human beings.

 

The problem is that it's increasingly difficult to differentiate between "scorned," "legitimately scorned/aggrieved" and the victims of real abuse/harassment/violence.

 

They're all starting to blend in together.

 

For example, if a man's a "player" and, let's say, has slept with over 100 women in his lifetime, does that mean that by some "law of numbers" that he's an abusive personality because most of mainstream society believes that we should be limited to a "reasonable" number of partners in a lifetime?

 

Of course, there's a pretty clear line between abusing/harassing and just being merely "insensitive/detached or unemotional/self-centered."

 

Are men now expected to be the opposite of what I just described...and, if they're not, they're guilty of being somewhere on the spectrum of abusive behavior?

 

Seems so many definitions are starting to get blurred in the last 2-3 months.

Edited December 8, 2017 by caulfield12

[Reddy]

My comment would be I'd like to think if a man boss behaves himself properly and does not sexually harass those who work for him ... I'd like to believe he'd avoid problems for himself with the company and/or the court system. Seriously. If you behave yourself I still have confidence in our legal system and I'd think companies would not fire the bosses without proper investigations. If you are innocent you have nothing to worry about I'd still like to believe (I can't believe I'm standing up for the suits here; I am normally not a huge fan of those CEOs who run certain businesses and the ultra rich certainly don't need Greg's support). But anyhow I can be naive, but I'd like to believe the law has your back if you are not guilty of sexual harassment. I'm sure there are many cases of people, men and women both, saying they got harassed to either a.) try to get some $$$ settlement or b.) get even with the boss for rude behavior.

 

 

Seriously? That is a fricking lot of congress members. Kick 'em all to the curb if they guilty. And I think Access Hollywood should release the Trump tape. Why not? have him say it out loud so we can get him impeached. Bernie baby in 2020!

 

Can't wait for a Bernie allegation #triggered

[Reddy]

Not saying this applies to anything going on, but as a young man I "played the field" and wouldn't commit to a woman because I just wanted to experience what was out there. This led to a lot of bitter young women who made up plenty of false claims to slander me. I think their motives were often "well this will get his attention and scare off other women at the same time". A scorned woman is a powerful weapon and I was smeared like crazy for loving and not committing. Not proud of my actions looking back but I had plenty of false info spread about me that I had to unfairly answer for. I'm sure many of you experienced the same thing.

 

Not saying this applies to any of these famous cases, but that level of scorned & crazy is certainly out there in droves, men and women. Can't help but wonder. I'm proud of the women who were assaulted coming forward and i'm sorry for the men who are innocent. And we'll never know who is who since they are all guilty first. Human beings.

2% of allegations related to sex crimes are false.

 

that means if you inherently trust the accuser, you'll be right 98 times out of 100.

 

If you inherently trust the accused, you'll be right 2 out of 100.

 

Which is the side on which we should err?

[RockRaines]

Not saying this applies to anything going on, but as a young man I "played the field" and wouldn't commit to a woman because I just wanted to experience what was out there. This led to a lot of bitter young women who made up plenty of false claims to slander me. I think their motives were often "well this will get his attention and scare off other women at the same time". A scorned woman is a powerful weapon and I was smeared like crazy for loving and not committing. Not proud of my actions looking back but I had plenty of false info spread about me that I had to unfairly answer for. I'm sure many of you experienced the same thing.

 

Not saying this applies to any of these famous cases, but that level of scorned & crazy is certainly out there in droves, men and women. Can't help but wonder. I'm proud of the women who were assaulted coming forward and i'm sorry for the men who are innocent. And we'll never know who is who since they are all guilty first. Human beings.

No offense to your younger self, but the constant here is powerful men abusing their position. You were, well, not.

[pettie4sox]

Can't wait for a Bernie allegation #triggered

 

People who use words like triggered... ugh so immature.

[pettie4sox]

Not saying this applies to anything going on, but as a young man I "played the field" and wouldn't commit to a woman because I just wanted to experience what was out there. This led to a lot of bitter young women who made up plenty of false claims to slander me. I think their motives were often "well this will get his attention and scare off other women at the same time". A scorned woman is a powerful weapon and I was smeared like crazy for loving and not committing. Not proud of my actions looking back but I had plenty of false info spread about me that I had to unfairly answer for. I'm sure many of you experienced the same thing.

 

Not saying this applies to any of these famous cases, but that level of scorned & crazy is certainly out there in droves, men and women. Can't help but wonder. I'm proud of the women who were assaulted coming forward and i'm sorry for the men who are innocent. And we'll never know who is who since they are all guilty first. Human beings.

 

Nothing wrong with playing the field as long as you come clean. I am inclined to believe the women until they give a reason not to. Women are typically silent about these issues because they don't want the attention or they just simply don't think anyone will believe them.

 

Out of all the scumbags dropping like flies over the past few months, they were doing this a long time which goes to back to my previous point that they really don't think it will amount to anything if they say something.

[southsider2k5]

Holy s***!

 

kimberly kindy‏Verified account @kimberlykindy Exclusive: As Conyers weighed resignation, former intern stepped forward saying he brought up Chandry Levy case when she rejected his advances

 

 

[caulfield12]

Holy s***!

 

kimberly kindy‏Verified account @kimberlykindy Exclusive: As Conyers weighed resignation, former intern stepped forward saying he brought up Chandry Levy case when she rejected his advances

 

 

Fits right in with Franks’ desire to relive The Handmaid’s Tale, Judge Moore’s to recreate Gone With the Wind and Representative Farenthold to pay out over $80,000 over a mere legit difference of opinion.

[southsider2k5]

Fits right in with Franks' desire to relive The Handmaid's Tale, Judge Moore's to recreate Gone With the Wind and Representative Farenthold to pay out over $80,000 over a mere legit difference of opinion.

 

I think threatening to kill someone for talking outpaces anything I have heard so far.

[StrangeSox]

More details on the Franks thing coming out.

 

He is strongly anti-abortion to the point that he opposes procedures like in vitro, so he offered his aide $5M to let him impregnate her 'naturally'

[CrimsonWeltall]

More details on the Franks thing coming out.

 

He is strongly anti-abortion to the point that he opposes procedures like in vitro, so he offered his aide $5M to let him impregnate her 'naturally'

 

His kids born in 2008 were from IVF (using donor egg and surrogate).

[StrangeSox]

Alex Kozinski, come on down!

 

A former clerk for Judge Alex Kozinski said the powerful and well-known jurist, who for many years served as chief judge on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit, called her into his office several times and pulled up pornography on his computer, asking if she thought it was photoshopped or if it aroused her sexually.

 

Heidi Bond, who clerked for Kozinski from 2006 to 2007, said the porn was not related to any case. One set of images she remembered was of college-age students at a party where “some people were inexplicably naked while everyone else was clothed.” Another was a sort of digital flip book that allowed users to mix and match heads, torsos and legs to create an image of a naked woman.

 

Bond is one of six women — all former clerks or externs in the 9th Circuit — who alleged to The Washington Post in recent weeks that Kozinski, now 67 and still serving as a judge on the court, subjected them to a range of inappropriate sexual conduct or comments. She is one of two former clerks who said Kozinski asked them to view porn in his chambers.

 

In a statement, Kozinski said: “I have been a judge for 35 years and during that time have had over 500 employees in my chambers. I treat all of my employees as family and work very closely with most of them. I would never intentionally do anything to offend anyone and it is regrettable that a handful have been offended by something I may have said or done.”

[greg775]

Not saying this applies to anything going on, but as a young man I "played the field" and wouldn't commit to a woman because I just wanted to experience what was out there. This led to a lot of bitter young women who made up plenty of false claims to slander me. I think their motives were often "well this will get his attention and scare off other women at the same time". A scorned woman is a powerful weapon and I was smeared like crazy for loving and not committing. Not proud of my actions looking back but I had plenty of false info spread about me that I had to unfairly answer for. I'm sure many of you experienced the same thing.

 

Not saying this applies to any of these famous cases, but that level of scorned & crazy is certainly out there in droves, men and women. Can't help but wonder. I'm proud of the women who were assaulted coming forward and i'm sorry for the men who are innocent. And we'll never know who is who since they are all guilty first. Human beings.

I hope the "false info" didn't involve the women going to the police with false allegations. Scorned and crazy is one thing, but if the women are falsely accusing men of crimes, they deserve to be prosecuted themselves and thrown in jail. You can ruin lives very quickly through false allegations. What did these women specifically do to you?

[Brian]

Mario Batali...COME ON DOWN!!!

[RockRaines]

Mario Batali...COME ON DOWN!!!

I suspect the entire bar/restaurant industry is going to explode. That was one of the most toxic environments I've ever worked in.

[caulfield12]

I can’t believe Alabama women/mothers are calling in to C-Span to argue that Roy Moore ONLY has two accusers because the other 7 were 16/17/18 years old and it was not officially breaking the law to be with those GIRLS (merely “icky”) at that time.

 

Or they seduced HIM...were essentially like Eve and the snake in the Garden of Good and Evil.

 

 

Edited December 11, 2017 by caulfield12

[Brian]

I can’t believe Alabama women/mothers are calling in to C-Span to argue that Roy Moore ONLY has two accusers because the other 7 were 16/17/18 years old and it was not officially breaking the law to be with those GIRLS (merely “icky”) at that time.

 

Or they seduced HIM...were essentially like Eve and the snake in the Garden of Good and Evil.

 

There was a lady from Alabama on GMA this morning saying she is still voting Moore because that is who God wants her to vote for.

[pettie4sox]

I can’t believe Alabama women/mothers are calling in to C-Span to argue that Roy Moore ONLY has two accusers because the other 7 were 16/17/18 years old and it was not officially breaking the law to be with those GIRLS (merely “icky”) at that time.

 

Or they seduced HIM...were essentially like Eve and the snake in the Garden of Good and Evil.

 

It's Alabama. Most of those deep south women suffer from Stockholm Syndrome.

[RockRaines]

There was a lady from Alabama on GMA this morning saying she is still voting Moore because that is who God wants her to vote for.

There is a reason they are last in about every category of education you can measure.