The Sexual Assault problem

[BigSqwert]

At ESPN, the problems for women run deep

 

Good read if you have a few minutes.

[caulfield12]

Head of Congressional Ethics Office Sued for Abusing Position, Accused of Assaulting Women

https://www.yahoo.com/news/head-congression...-192711888.html

 

 

I would say ironic, but why bother?

[BigSqwert]

What did you like about this article?

 

The inside look into what an awful place that is. Didn't realize it was that bad.

[Jenksismyhero]

The inside look into what an awful place that is. Didn't realize it was that bad.

 

This is actually a pretty perfect example of the "witch hunt" fear that people have on this issue.

 

http://thebiglead.com/2017/12/15/espn-text...ohn-buccigross/

 

ESPN produced the entire text message exchanged between the two, and while the photos were sent, and he used terms like #dollface and #longlegs, it's absolutely clear she was flirting with him non-stop and in no way provided even a hint that she was uncomfortable with how they communicated. At the end of the day she's pissed that she didn't get her contract renewed so she's filing her claim.

 

This is the dilemma men are in. You have a woman of consenting age actively flirting with you, showing no sign that she finds what you say improper/unprofessional/unwanted, and then 2 years later she can complain about it and in the current climate you're automatically deemed guilty of harassment.

[caulfield12]

This is actually a pretty perfect example of the "witch hunt" fear that people have on this issue.

 

http://thebiglead.com/2017/12/15/espn-text...ohn-buccigross/

 

ESPN produced the entire text message exchanged between the two, and while the photos were sent, and he used terms like #dollface and #longlegs, it's absolutely clear she was flirting with him non-stop and in no way provided even a hint that she was uncomfortable with how they communicated. At the end of the day she's pissed that she didn't get her contract renewed so she's filing her claim.

 

This is the dilemma men are in. You have a woman of consenting age actively flirting with you, showing no sign that she finds what you say improper/unprofessional/unwanted, and then 2 years later she can complain about it and in the current climate you're automatically deemed guilty of harassment.

 

He was also nearly twice her age.

 

This smacks of using your power/influence to get what you want...perception is just as important as reality in this environment. If they were both at the same level in the organization, it would be easier to agree. Then you have another overlapping cultural issue...the white exec flirting with a young African-American woman in a completely make-dominated industry.

 

Once you reach a certain status/stature, you need to be increasingly cognizant of the risks you take when you flirt with a woman, especially when you have three younger children.

 

Why does an older guy need to send a shirtless picture, anyway? It seems to happen all the time with politicians and pseudo-celebs.

 

 

[Jenksismyhero]

He was also nearly twice her age.

 

This smacks of using your power/influence to get what you want...perception is just as important as reality in this environment. If they were both at the same level in the organization, it would be easier to agree. Then you have another overlapping cultural issue...the white exec flirting with a young African-American woman in a completely make-dominated industry.

 

Once you reach a certain status/stature, you need to be increasingly cognizant of the risks you take when you flirt with a woman, especially when you have three younger children.

 

Why does an older guy need to send a shirtless picture, anyway? It seems to happen all the time with politicians and pseudo-celebs.

 

First of all he's not an executive, he's an on-air talent, just like her, only more senior. Second, age shouldn't matter here. They're consenting adults. Third, the problem is that at no point is she saying stop. She's not even giving a hint that she doesn't like it. She's repeatedly asking him out to dinner or to go to a concert together. Not only is she not resisting, she's actively INVITING his communications.

 

also, the "risk" you speak of is being falsely accused of harassment. If we're going this far with it, then I have to teach my sons to basically never talk to women unless it's recorded and/or you get a consent form signed, because at anytime a woman can claim that despite her actions, she really didn't want X (sex, a photo, talking in a flirty way, etc)

Edited December 15, 2017 by JenksIsMyHero

[Brian]

When I first read that he called her "Long Legs" I was like, uh oh. Then read it and he said it to respond to her own joke about how tall she is.

 

There could be other texts with the shirtless pics, but this chain should be trashed.

[RockRaines]

When I first read that he called her "Long Legs" I was like, uh oh. Then read it and he said it to respond to her own joke about how tall she is.

 

There could be other texts with the shirtless pics, but this chain should be trashed.

Yeah, I may be numb to it but I dont get the outrage with this case.

[OmarComing25]

Yeah "dollface" is still really weird but I saw nothing wrong with the long legs remark, it was fine with the context.

[Brian]

Lauer liked interns

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/2017/12...tory/953252001/

[caulfield12]

First of all he's not an executive, he's an on-air talent, just like her, only more senior. Second, age shouldn't matter here. They're consenting adults. Third, the problem is that at no point is she saying stop. She's not even giving a hint that she doesn't like it. She's repeatedly asking him out to dinner or to go to a concert together. Not only is she not resisting, she's actively INVITING his communications.

 

also, the "risk" you speak of is being falsely accused of harassment. If we're going this far with it, then I have to teach my sons to basically never talk to women unless it's recorded and/or you get a consent form signed, because at anytime a woman can claim that despite her actions, she really didn't want X (sex, a photo, talking in a flirty way, etc)

 

This second part might be the direction things are going...just like another version of pre-nuptial agreements.

 

Of course, NDA’s are on the way out, so not sure what someone with significant assets should do if women in cases like this can win financial awards via civil litigation.

 

 

http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/15/entertainmen...ions/index.html

Dustin Hoffman is taking more hits

Edited December 15, 2017 by caulfield12

[Big Hurtin]

Wow, now it’s coming out that NBC paid off someone who made sexual harassment claim against Chris Matthews.

 

[Quin]

Wow, now it’s coming out that NBC paid off someone who made sexual harassment claim against Chris Matthews.

 

If you had told me to pick one person at MSNBC who would be caught in this, I'd have said Matthews in a heartbeat. This one is barely shocking.

[greg775]

If you had told me to pick one person at MSNBC who would be caught in this, I'd have said Matthews in a heartbeat. This one is barely shocking.

I don't like Matthews' style. Very very loud, speaks over people, is rude when they disagree and comes across as screeching voice. If he is guilty of this kinda stuff, fire him now. He's over 70. Retirement time.

[southsider2k5]

Saw a pretty long one this morning on the owner of the Carolina Panthers.

[Dick Allen]

I don't like Matthews' style. Very very loud, speaks over people, is rude when they disagree and comes across as screeching voice. If he is guilty of this kinda stuff, fire him now. He's over 70. Retirement time.

Yet you listen to Rush Limbaugh.

[Balta1701]

Saw a pretty long one this morning on the owner of the Carolina Panthers.

Apparently he will sell the team in response. Wow. That's the team that was scared to do anything after Trump's comments because of him.

[greg775]

Yet you listen to Rush Limbaugh.

You guys make me lose faith in message boards. You haven't read my take on Rush? How often I listen? You guys make me sad sometimes.

[caulfield12]

“Women should not be allowed on juries where the accused is a stud.”

~Rush Limbaugh, 1994 List of 35 Undeniable Truths

 

“We’re not sexists, we’re chauvinists — we’re male chauvinist pigs, and we’re happy to be because we think that’s what men were destined to be. We think that’s what women want.”

~Rush Limbaugh, claiming that women want men to be assholes, April 15, 2004

 

“What is it with all of these young, single white women? Overeducated- doesn’t mean intelligent.”

~Rush Limbaugh, insulting educated women, March 6, 2012

 

“I think this reason why girls don’t do well on multiple choice tests goes all the way back to the Bible, all the way back to Genesis, Adam and Eve. God said, ‘All right, Eve, multiple choice or multiple orgasms, what’s it going to be?’ We all know what was chosen.”

~Rush Limbaugh, making another degrading comment about women, February 23, 1994

 

“They’re out there protesting what they actually wish would happen to them sometimes.”

~Rush Limbaugh, on women who protest against sexual harassment, The Rush Limbaugh Show, April 26, 2004

[Brian]

TJ Miller, COME ON DOWN!!

 

Maybe not.

Edited December 19, 2017 by Brian

[Balta1701]

There are at least 2 more congresspersons who have used a slush fund account provided by the US taxpayer for paying out sexual harassment claims, since 2012, whose identities we do not currently know.

[southsider2k5]

There are at least 2 more congresspersons who have used a slush fund account provided by the US taxpayer for paying out sexual harassment claims, since 2012, whose identities we do not currently know.

 

The latest disclosures come during a round of soul searching on Capitol Hill about how staffers, particularly female employees, are treated. “There is no public information available about the claims, or which members of Congress they involve,” according to the New York Times. “Under federal law, congressional employees who bring claims against lawmakers must go through a confidential mediation process; although the law does not require it, the parties typically sign nondisclosure forms agreeing not to talk about any settlements.”

 

Of course they do. That way it is all hidden from the public.

[StrangeSox]

Kaine's request for Senate harassment data, which he said he'd release publicly, was denied.

 

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/18/k...ent-data-304736

[Balta1701]

Of course they do. That way it is all hidden from the public.

Like 10 pages back I posted more of the details, it's even worse than that. There's like 10 different steps where a person filing a complaint has to sit in the room and have someone lecture them about how they shouldn't file the complaint and it isn't worth it, and each step is covered by nondisclosure agreements.

 

Edit: found the link. and oh yeah it had one of those "Mandatory arbitration clauses" that I hate thrown in.

[Dick Allen]

Corey Lewandowski, you're on the clock.