Another mass shooting, church in Texas

[StrangeSox]

Not surprising coming from this backasswards state.

I think this is the law nationally, and it's something pushed by the gun lobby.

[Jenksismyhero]

So it sounds like the system failed in this case. He should not have been allowed to purchase the gun he used. Someone forgot to report his conviction which would have been picked up in his background check.

[StrangeSox]

The reporting I saw was that the military"forgets" to report this information routinely.

[RockRaines]

I think this is the law nationally, and it's something pushed by the gun lobby.

Tis correct.

 

Also, my POV on Greg's opinions never fails. What radio station you gonna listen to today?

[caulfield12]

Greg, I think a lot of the frustration on the left was all those condolences and prayers from the likes of Paul Ryan for the victims...well, they were all literally in church, worshipping and praising God...how hollow does that sound? And yet not a single proposal is being considered on the part of the GOP to address the problem.

 

If you’re unwilling to improve the background checks system, let’s at least attempt to improve our mental/psychological health system in America instead of cutting funding while giving the rich and corporations an unnecessary tax break.

Edited November 7, 2017 by caulfield12

[Kyyle23]

caulfield I think a lot of the frustration comes from the representatives taking money from the NRA only offer thoughts and prayers instead of any reformative action to try to prevent these things from happening. IIRC Ryan has taken upwards of $170,000 and Cruz has taken over $300,000. Hollow indeed

 

Remember a month ago when everyone was like "THESE BUMP STOCKS ARE CRAZY!". Yea, well, nobody did anything about it and actually made sure they will stay available.

[BigSqwert]

One person of color tries to make a bomb out of a shoe and EVERYONE has their shoes checked at the airport.

 

Countless mass shooting after mass shooting and LITERALLY NOTHING offered other than thoughts and prayers.

[EvilMonkey]

caulfield I think a lot of the frustration comes from the representatives taking money from the NRA only offer thoughts and prayers instead of any reformative action to try to prevent these things from happening. IIRC Ryan has taken upwards of $170,000 and Cruz has taken over $300,000. Hollow indeed

 

Remember a month ago when everyone was like "THESE BUMP STOCKS ARE CRAZY!". Yea, well, nobody did anything about it and actually made sure they will stay available.

Nobody did anything about about it because as usual Democratic politicians tried to over reach. Instead of just banning bump stocks they crafted their legislation so broadly that merely replacing a trigger spring would be a violation.

[RockRaines]

One person of color tries to make a bomb out of a shoe and EVERYONE has their shoes checked at the airport.

 

Countless mass shooting after mass shooting and LITERALLY NOTHING offered other than thoughts and prayers.

Extreme vetting, concrete barriers, increased TSA checks, taking off your shoes.

 

More guns at Wal-mart.

[EvilMonkey]

Greg, I think a lot of the frustration on the left was all those condolences and prayers from the likes of Paul Ryan for the victims...well, they were all literally in church, worshipping and praising God...how hollow does that sound? And yet not a single proposal is being considered on the part of the GOP to address the problem.

 

If you’re unwilling to improve the background checks system, let’s at least attempt to improve our mental/psychological health system in America instead of cutting funding while giving the rich and corporations an unnecessary tax break.

GIGO. The system works fine, it is the human component that failed. And just what 'proposal' do you want them to pass that would have made a difference? i agree that mental health needs to be addressed. it has been that way for a while, not just some oversight that happens to be a problem for any one party.

[Dick Allen]

Nobody did anything about about it because as usual Democratic politicians tried to over reach. Instead of just banning bump stocks they crafted their legislation so broadly that merely replacing a trigger spring would be a violation.

If someone named Abdul Zaire-Aziz shot up a church, but came here when he was 2 years old, 25 years ago, the reaction would be different than thoughts and prayer, let's not make this political. . The fact that this guy had access to weapons that allowed him to do what he did is a gigantic issue that will be ignored because of him being American and white. Just the price you pay when shooting s*** is fun.

Edited November 7, 2017 by Dick Allen

[EvilMonkey]

If someone named Abdul Zaire-Aziz shot up a church, but came here when he was 2 years old, 25 years ago, the reaction would be different than thoughts and prayer, let's not make this political. . The fact that this guy had access to weapons that allowed him to do what he did is a gigantic issue that will be ignored because of him being American and white. Just the price you pay when shooting s*** is fun.

And that reply had absolutely not one f***ing thing to do with bump stocks that I talked about.

[StrangeSox]

Republicans control the House and Senate. Why are Democrats to blame if Republicans didn't craft a bill and bring it to the floor, which the Democrats don't have the power to do?

[Balta1701]

And that reply had absolutely not one f***ing thing to do with bump stocks that I talked about.

You do realize that the Democrats can't bring a bill to the floor since your party controls both houses of Congress right?

 

The good news is that Slidefire has completed dealing with the backlog of orders they received after their spectacular marketing successes in Vegas, so now there are tens of thousands more of those around.

[EvilMonkey]

You do realize that the Democrats can't bring a bill to the floor since your party controls both houses of Congress right?

 

The good news is that Slidefire has completed dealing with the backlog of orders they received after their spectacular marketing successes in Vegas, so now there are tens of thousands more of those around.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/sen-feinste...ory?id=50276506

[StrangeSox]

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/sen-feinste...ory?id=50276506

Okay, nothing stopped Republicans from crafting and introducing their own bill, especially since they actually control Congress.

 

edit: and Feintstein's bill didn't go to the floor for a vote because, again, Republicans control the Senate.

Edited November 7, 2017 by StrangeSox

[EvilMonkey]

Okay, nothing stopped Republicans from crafting and introducing their own bill, especially since they actually control Congress.

 

edit: and Feintstein's bill didn't go to the floor for a vote because, again, Republicans control the Senate.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/05/politics/pau...trol/index.html

[Balta1701]

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/sen-feinste...ory?id=50276506

So what is the issue with this language? The law has to define what these things are in order to have the language be useful.

“It shall be unlawful for any person to import, sell, manufacture, transfer or possess, in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce, a trigger crank, a bump-fire device or any part, combination of parts, component, device, attachment or accessory that is designed or functions to accelerate the rate of fire of a semiautomatic rifle but not convert the semiautomatic rifle into a machine gun,” the bill states.

[Dick Allen]

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/sen-feinste...ory?id=50276506

What did the republicans do about it besides thoughts and prayers?

[EvilMonkey]

Okay, nothing stopped Republicans from crafting and introducing their own bill, especially since they actually control Congress.

 

edit: and Feintstein's bill didn't go to the floor for a vote because, again, Republicans control the Senate.

it didn't go to the floor because of the language.

 

“It shall be unlawful for any person to import, sell, manufacture, transfer or possess, in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce, a trigger crank, a bump-fire device or any part, combination of parts, component, device, attachment or accessory that is designed or functions to accelerate the rate of fire of a semiautomatic rifle but not convert the semiautomatic rifle into a machine gun,” the bill states.

 

That bolded part is what kills it. You replace a trigger or a spring and the gun fires a half second faster, you now violated a law. Springs break and get replaced all the time. Some people need a lighter trigger pull, but in theory that makes the gun shoot faster, so off to jail for you! yeah, that's common sense alright.

[StrangeSox]

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/05/politics/pau...trol/index.html

Did they bring it to the floor for a vote? Do they have hearings, mark-ups, committees scheduled?

[StrangeSox]

it didn't go to the floor because of the language.

 

“It shall be unlawful for any person to import, sell, manufacture, transfer or possess, in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce, a trigger crank, a bump-fire device or any part, combination of parts, component, device, attachment or accessory that is designed or functions to accelerate the rate of fire of a semiautomatic rifle but not convert the semiautomatic rifle into a machine gun,” the bill states.

 

That bolded part is what kills it. You replace a trigger or a spring and the gun fires a half second faster, you now violated a law. Springs break and get replaced all the time. Some people need a lighter trigger pull, but in theory that makes the gun shoot faster, so off to jail for you! yeah, that's common sense alright.

 

Feinstein's bill is irrelevant to whether Republicans who, again, control Congress and the White House, want to actually do something about gun control.

[EvilMonkey]

Feinstein's bill is irrelevant to whether Republicans who, again, control Congress and the White House, want to actually do something about gun control.

Gun control means using 2 hands.

 

Do you want them to 'do something' or 'do something that will work'. because all I ever see from Democrats is crap that won't work. but hey, they did 'something'.

Edited November 7, 2017 by Alpha Dog

[Balta1701]

For reference, thread moved, as I'm sure most expected.

[Balta1701]

Gun control means using 2 hands.

And as long as this guy used 2 hands then the end result is positive and fine.