Another mass shooting, church in Texas

[Quin]

Meanwhile, if there's a hurricane we all help each other. All races, all religions, no questions asked. Total assistance. Very weird non sequitirs.

 

Unless they speak Spanish, then we don't help them.

[RockRaines]

How could he possibly know what's going on in Puerto Rico? The last time Rush or Hannity mentioned Puerto Rico was probably the last time there was a beauty pageant there.

Rush is too busy telling people all terrorists are democrats

[caulfield12]

http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/totals.php...&cycle=2014

NRA donations to Republicans and Democrats

 

 

https://www.csmonitor.com/Business/2012/121...es/31.8-billion

 

$31.8 billion. The estimated economic impact of the US firearms industry in 2012, according to data from the National Shooting Sports Foundation. That’s up from $27.8 billion in 2009, due to job creation and new sales taxes. 26,325 new gun-related jobs have been created over the past two years, according to the NSSF.

 

And while tracking concrete sales numbers of firearms in the United States is tricky, federal officials report that they were higher than ever in 2012. Through the end of November, the FBI recorded 16.5 million background checks for gun purchases in 2012 – the highest figure since the FBI began tracking such data in 1998. And the actual number of guns sold is likely higher, because registrants can buy multiple guns.

 

Two factors in recent history have had a tendency to send sales soaring. As staff writer Linda Feldmann reported in July, gun sales usually spike in the days following a mass shooting. Background checks rose 41 percent in Colorado in the aftermath of the Aurora movie theater shooting over the summer, and sales spikes followed Columbine and the 2011 rampage in Tucson, Ariz., as well.

 

The second factor is politics. Sales spiked in anticipation of both of President Obama’s elections, in 2008 and 2012, and stock in firearms manufacturers like Smith & Wesson soared, as buyers feared legislation that would clamp down on Second Amendment rights or restrict their ability to purchase a gun.

Edited November 7, 2017 by caulfield12

[caulfield12]

Why didn’t Trump simply argue that he’d bring even more gun industry jobs to offset the losses in coal and blue collar manufacturing?

 

Because we can obviously tolerate the massacre of 18 month olds in churches, teenage concert goers, elementary school students and even attempted assassinations of Republican members of Congress. The irony is that the death of Rep. Scalise would have led to his martyrdom and yet another exponential increase in gun sales.

 

They’re probably begging Michael Moore to do a sequel to Bowling for Columbine.

 

But Chicago! Muslims! The War of 1812!!! The goal of every elected Democrat is to take ALL your legally-purchased guns away. Even when that’s not the case, Obama Obama Obama. MS-13.

 

 

If Gillespie wins in Virginia, every single election is going to hearten back to the dog whistle politics of 1988 and to the George Wallace years. Because that means Trump identity politics work well in a a supposedly purple/progressive state that he lost by 5% to Hillary.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/07/politics/cnn...axes/index.html

Poll: Views of Democratic Party hit lowest mark in 25 years

Edited November 7, 2017 by caulfield12

[Heads22]

Not sure why anyone would ever need an AR-15. What's the tipping point on firepower available to the civilian population?

[LittleHurt05]

Unless they speak Spanish, then we don't help them.

 

Cause there are zero Spanish speaking citizens in Texas, that's they only reason they were given hurricane assisstance.

 

 

[Chicago White Sox]

Do you really think racism is the problem in every scenario (even the ones that don't involve race. Disaster relief, second amendment, etc.)? I can't tell you're just trying to shut down reasonable discourse, let everyone know you know you think racism is bad or you actually believe every non-white is being constantly subjected to racism on account of them not being white.

 

 

I am not even sure what the argument is for people who believe civilians should have the right to possess semi-automatic/automatic weapons. I always thought it was hunting related (not something I know anything about) but I was listening to a couple of hunters talk and apparently they are terrible for hunting. They just blow a hole in whatever they hit and use of them typically falls outside the spirit of hunting.

 

The vaild argument was that their legality was necessary for citizens to defend themselves if faced with tyranny. Considering our government can drone bomb anybody they want on demand the only pro I could think of is null and void.

It’s really assault weapons & high capacity clips that are the problem. No one needs these unless they’re part of our Armed Forces, are part of a SWAT-like team, or plan on killing a lot of people in a short period of time. Sure, there are plenty of people out there that think owning an assault rifle is badass or have convinced themselves they are defenseless at home without one, but the reality these where never intended for practical civilian use. There’s absolutely no reason NOT to ban assault weapons & high capacity magazines. Shotguns, handguns, & hunting rifles should be more than enough for sport & safety.

Edited November 8, 2017 by Chicago White Sox

[LittleHurt05]

It’s really assault weapons & high capacity clips that are the problem. No one needs these unless they’re part of our Armed Forces, are part of a SWAT-like team, or plan on killing a lot of people in a short period of time. Sure, there are plenty of people out there that think owning an assault rifle is badass or have convinced themselves they are defenseless at home without one, but the reality these where never intended for practical civilian use. There’s absolutely no reason NOT to ban assault weapons & high capacity magazines. Shotguns, handguns, & hunting rifles should be more than enough for sport & safety.

 

I read that the military doesn't really use the high capacity clips either. In most of their situations, they are way more concerned with accuracy, so shooting so many clips a second doesn't help much. Like you said, they really are only useful in killing a lot of people in a short period of time, and that's not even needed in the military very often anymore.

[RockRaines]

Those weapons were literally designed for combat. They then made “consumer” versions of them. They aren’t useful for anything other than killing humans. And they are super s***ty for Home defense.

[StrangeSox]

Gun control means using 2 hands.

 

Video of Texas Shooting Captured Bloodbath

 

The gunman who committed the massacre in a rural Texas church fired continuously for several minutes, methodically shooting his victims – including small children – in the head, execution-style, a law enforcement official briefed on the investigation said on Wednesday.

 

A video camera captured the bloodbath inside the church, which left 26 people dead and 20 wounded — the worst mass shooting in Texas history — and state and federal investigators have reviewed that gruesome footage. The official estimated that the shooting in the video lasted about seven minutes. The church routinely recorded its services, and often posted the resulting videos online.

 

The killer, armed with an assault rifle, went to the First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs on Sunday morning with magazines capable of holding more than 400 rounds of ammunition, but it is not clear how many shots he actually fired, said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation is ongoing.

[RockRaines]

I cant imagine seeing children being murdered like that.

[Balta1701]

I cant imagine seeing children being murdered like that.

On average a kid age 3 or under accidentally shoots someone at least once a week in this country, more than half the time themselves. So imagine it. That's how responsible we are.

[BigSqwert]

Sen. Feinstein and Senate Democrats introduce bill to ban assault weapons

 

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[Chicago White Sox]

On average a kid age 3 or under accidentally shoots someone at least once a week in this country, more than half the time themselves. So imagine it. That's how responsible we are.

Good god Balta, are you really trying to make a connection between the execution-style murder of children to accidental shootings that are the result of dumb parents not keeping their guns in secure spaces? Again, people like you are the reason we can’t make any progress with gun controls.

[Chicago White Sox]

Sen. Feinstein and Senate Democrats introduce bill to ban assault weapons

 

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I only wish this proposed bill would lead to actual changes, but I just don’t see that ever happening with the Republicans in control.

[LittleHurt05]

On average a kid age 3 or under accidentally shoots someone at least once a week in this country, more than half the time themselves. So imagine it. That's how responsible we are.

 

Jeebus, man, that is a disgusting irrelevant analogy.

[RockRaines]

Both cases make me sick.

[RockRaines]

Good god Balta, are you really trying to make a connection between the execution-style murder of children to accidental shootings that are the result of dumb parents not keeping their guns in secure spaces? Again, people like you are the reason we can’t make any progress with gun controls.

The reason we cant have gun control is the NRA, period. A HUGE majority of Americans are in support of better gun control.

[Balta1701]

Good god Balta, are you really trying to make a connection between the execution-style murder of children to accidental shootings that are the result of dumb parents not keeping their guns in secure spaces? Again, people like you are the reason we can’t make any progress with gun controls.

In both cases it is people who should not have access to guns but do. The connection is not tough. These are both people who are assumed to be responsible gun owners and they are ok doing so until someone ends up dead. We should not have to put up with either of these things, but in both cases the giant unlocked penis enlarger is more important.

[Quin]

Video of Texas Shooting Captured Bloodbath

 

My god.

[Chicago White Sox]

In both cases it is people who should not have access to guns but do. The connection is not tough. These are both people who are assumed to be responsible gun owners and they are ok doing so until someone ends up dead. We should not have to put up with either of these things, but in both cases the giant unlocked penis enlarger is more important.

Nope, your tangent was ridiculous and you’re overlooking both the intent (murder vs. accident) and the type of weapons used (handguns vs. assault rifles w/ high capacity clips) in these incidents. And then you go and show your true douchey colors by calling guns a “giant unlocked penis enlarger”. There is absolutely nothing wrong with owning a normal gun for self defense, hunting, or sport. Nothing whatsoever. But people like you who think they know what’s right for everyone in this world will continue to tell us otherwise and we’ll never make progress in this area. Really sucks being a liberal and seeing your party of choice completely lose its power because the Brian Balta’s of the world scare off the more moderate base. Honestly, you’re equally as bad as the right-wing extremists.

[StrangeSox]

Handguns are responsible for a vast majority of gun injuries and deaths in this country. In the grand scheme of things, assault rifles really aren't the number one problem.

[StrangeSox]

Michigan has a solution to gun violence:

 

Allow concealed carry at schools, bars, and sports stadiums.

https://t.co/PiVVU3KcEJ

 

Can't imagine how that'd ever go wrong.

[Chicago White Sox]

Handguns are responsible for a vast majority of gun injuries and deaths in this country. In the grand scheme of things, assault rifles really aren't the number one problem.

Of course they are and there should be better policies in place to prevent certain people from acquiring/owning handguns, but this is a thread on mass shootings and assault weapons w/ high capacity clips seem more relevant there and a much easier issue to tackle quite frankly.

[RockRaines]

Of course they are and there should be better policies in place to prevent certain people from acquiring/owning handguns, but this is a thread on mass shootings and assault weapons w/ high capacity clips seem more relevant there and a much easier issue to tackle quite frankly.

Agreed. Handguns could be subject to better vetting, and of course better training and certification, but Assault rifles and high capacity clips are f***ing moronic.