southsider2k5 Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Ryan ThibodauxVerified account @NotMrTibbs 16m16 minutes ago As announced by @baseballhall and @officialBBWAA today, your 2018 National Baseball Hall of Fame Ballot: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 First years- Chipper, Thome, Rolen, Andruw Jones, Johan Santana, Damon, Vizquel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Zelig Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 3 former White Sox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 I’d only vote for 9. Vladimir Guerrero Roger Clemens Barry Bonds Mike Mussina Curt Schilling Manny Ramirez Fred McGriff Chipper Jones Jim Thome Hoffman is getting in this time too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 20, 2017 Author Share Posted November 20, 2017 Carlos Zambrano and Kerry Wood are both on the HOF ballot today. Remember when people thought they were better than Mark Buehrle? That was great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Weird for me now being old enough to truly having watched and remembered most of these guys careers now eligible. You start to get some of the fights that happened previously a little better. Like first gut check, no way Rolen is a HOFer. Then I looked at numbers and it's like...hmmm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Hopefully they make the juicers wait Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 20, 2017 -> 03:25 PM) Weird for me now being old enough to truly having watched and remembered most of these guys careers now eligible. You start to get some of the fights that happened previously a little better. Like first gut check, no way Rolen is a HOFer. Then I looked at numbers and it's like...hmmm Yeah, same reaction on Rolen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 QUOTE (flavum @ Nov 20, 2017 -> 11:40 AM) I’d only vote for 9. Vladimir Guerrero Roger Clemens Barry Bonds Mike Mussina Curt Schilling Manny Ramirez Fred McGriff Chipper Jones Jim Thome Hoffman is getting in this time too. I'd go Trevor Hoffman Billy Wagner Chipper Jones Andruw Jones Vladimir Guerrero Barry Bonds Larry Walker Fred McGriff Edgar Martinez Jeff Kent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 QUOTE (Joshua Strong @ Nov 20, 2017 -> 05:45 PM) I'd go Trevor Hoffman Billy Wagner Chipper Jones Andruw Jones Vladimir Guerrero Barry Bonds Larry Walker Fred McGriff Edgar Martinez Jeff Kent Wow, quite a difference. Six guys I think come up short. Honestly, I think one day they’ll go “Big Hall”, which is fine by me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox1917 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Hoffman Guerrero Martinez Mussina Schilling Chipper Thome Rolen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggins Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Bonds, Clemens, Thome, Ch. Jones, Martinez, Guerrero, Sheffield, Schilling, Mussina, Hoffman Rolen and Andruw are really close though. Stacked ballot. I think Manny gets in eventually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 https://twitter.com/jposnanski/status/932973909665894400 Morgan is such an egotistical prick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 21, 2017 -> 08:58 AM) https://twitter.com/jposnanski/status/932973909665894400 Morgan is such an egotistical prick The timing of this seems about five years too late. I’m kind of in the middle on this- I forgive the players that started their careers from the mid 80s to late 90s for using stuff that wasn’t tested for and ignored by owners, media, and fans. Post Mitchell Report and urine/blood testing, there should be zero tolerance. Any tangible proof of intent to cheat, you should be out of baseball, no different than the rules against betting. And if there isn’t tangible proof of intent, one year suspended, voiding contract; second offense- gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Once Pudge Rodriguez and Piazza got in, then there should be all bets are off to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 I’m over it. Baseball allowed it and celebrated it until the feds got involved. This is on the MLB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 QUOTE (ChiSoxJon @ Nov 20, 2017 -> 03:33 PM) Hopefully they make the juicers wait If they can put Selig in, anyone can go in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Surprised at the lack of the support for Walker in this thread, he was better than Guerrero. Also Rolen feels like the infielder equivalent to Beltran. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox1917 Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Nov 21, 2017 -> 02:31 PM) Surprised at the lack of the support for Walker in this thread, he was better than Guerrero. Also Rolen feels like the infielder equivalent to Beltran. Walker get's some second thoughts cause of the Coors effect. Rolen definitely is the infield equiv of Beltran, but I think both should be HOFers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanne Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 QUOTE (knightni @ Nov 21, 2017 -> 11:43 AM) If they can put Selig in, anyone can go in. I still think it's a travesty that Dick Allen isn't in the Hall of Fame...kind of a joke really. So yeah...when some of these other people (especially Selig) gets put in...I'm pretty much "who cares". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (flavum @ Nov 20, 2017 -> 06:11 PM) Wow, quite a difference. Six guys I think come up short. Honestly, I think one day they’ll go “Big Hall”, which is fine by me. In this imaginary scenario, I was split on who to give my last spot, so I gave that last spot to Jeff Kent because he has a higher chance of falling off the ballot than Jim Thome. I would never vote for Manny Ramirez because of multiple failed test and I would never vote for Roger Clemens for how he ruined the life of Brian McNamee and that whole situation. Curt Schilling does belong in the hall but I would never vote for him unless he was in danger of falling off the ballot. I think Andruw Jones should be in, he has a JAWS of 54.6 which is better than Richie Ashburn, Andre Dawson and Kirby Puckett who are all in the hall already. I am lucky enough to remember him during his heyday with Atlanta. My grandfather who's a die-hard Cubs fan would always watch the Braves on TBS with me and he's probably the best center fielder that I've seen in my lifetime. The guy won 10 consecutive Gold Gloves. There have been three players in the history of the sport who have played at least 75% of their games in CF and hit at least 400 home runs: Willie Mays, Ken Griffey Jr. and Andruw Jones. There are 24 CFs in the HOF and Jones' resume compares well against the guys who are there. He should be in Cooperstown. Edited November 24, 2017 by Joshua Strong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 21, 2017 -> 09:58 AM) https://twitter.com/jposnanski/status/932973909665894400 Morgan is such an egotistical prick Jeff Passan is giving up his vote because of the Joe Morgan letter. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yahoo.com/...-144738128.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 QUOTE (knightni @ Nov 21, 2017 -> 11:43 AM) If they can put Selig in, anyone can go in. I always wonder about people who blame him. You do know that he instituted the drug testing in the minors and the players union fought him on putting it in the MLB. Granted he prioritized other thing things during CBA negotiations. The early 90's is when I was working in the MLB and the players were all over Selig about instituting the policy in the minors and fighting him in the MLB. I would put the blame on the MLB union (the numbers benefited the players as much as the owners) as much as I would him and the owners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 (edited) Real talk--Hoffman, Guerrero, Chipper, and Thome are getting in. Vizquel will get closer than a lot of people will believe. Edgar Martinez will get close, but fall short. This might be the year Sosa fall offs. Damon will be one and done. Next year Rivera, Halladay, Helton, Berkman, Oswalt, and Pettitte will join the ballot and we'll do this again. Edited November 25, 2017 by flavum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 https://mobile.twitter.com/NotMrTibbs Somebody public finally didn’t vote for Vizquel. Good article from Lynn Henning, retweeted there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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