Current personal White Sox T30 prospects

[NorthSideSox72]

OK, let's start a discussion. The offseason is just beginning, and I have not done a ton of research yet. But what does your current T30 look like?

 

Here's mine (and again, this could shift, it's not highly researched):

 

1 Eloy Jimenez

2 Michael Kopech

3 Luis Robert

4 Alec Hansen

5 Dylan Cease

6 Zack Collins

7 Jake Burger

8 Dane Dunning

9 Blake Rutherford

10 Spencer Adams

11 Casey Gillaspie

12 Gavin Sheets

13 Micker Adolfo

14 Zack Burdi

15 Seby Zavala

16 Jordan Guerrero

17 Jordan Stephens

18 Carson Fulmer

19 Luis Gonzalez

20 Luis Alex Basabe

21 Jake Peter

22 Thyago Vieira

23 Luis Curbelo

24 Yeyson Yrizarri

25 Aaron Bummer

26 Ryan Cordell

27 Bernardo Flores

28 Jace Fry

29 Ian Clarkin

30 Tito Polo

 

Just Missed / Will Reconsider Later: AJ Puckett, Alex Call, Jameson Fisher, Ti'Quan Forbes, Amado Nunez, Tyler Johnson, Daniel Palka, Lincoln Henzman, Lenyn Sosa

 

Discuss!

[GGajewski18]

I whole heartedly disagree with your ranking on Fulmer. Think he has a starter ceiling with 7th-8th inning floor. With that, these are my rankings:

 

1. Eloy Jimenez

2. Michael Kopech

3. Luis Robert

4. Alec Hansen

5. Zack Collins

6. Dane Dunning

7. Dylan Cease

8. Jake Burger

9. Blake Rutherford

10. Carson Fulmer

11. Micker Adolfo

12. Casey Gillaspie

13. Spencer Adams

14. Zack Burdi

15. Gavin Sheets

16. Seby Zavala

17. Jordan Guerrero

18. Jordan Stephens

19. Luis Alexander Basabe

20. Thyago Vieira

21. Ryan Cordell

22. Luis Gonzalez

23. Bernardo Flores

24. Luis Curbelo

25. Ian Clarkin

26. Amado Nunez

27. Aaron Bummer

28. Ian Hamilton

29. Jace Fry

30. A.J Puckett

[Jerksticks]

Love Eloy & Kopech at 1,2.

 

I think Hansen is ahead of Robert right now, by a mile. Dude is like a half season of more dominance away from pitching in the majors at an elite level. He might be better than Kopech, just as good, or just below.

 

Not sure how Robert can be ahead of him before any A Ball ABs. Love me some Robert and the fact that you all put him at 3 has me super excited for this season.

[hi8is]

He might be better than Kopech, just as good, or just below.

I'm right there with ya on Hansen. Totally have a prospect stiffie for that dude.

[Jerksticks]

I'm right there with ya on Hansen. Totally have a prospect stiffie for that dude.

It's a mighty stiffie indeed. Like an old oak

[Chicago White Sox]

Tier 1 - 65/70 FV

1. Eloy Jimenez, OF

2. Michael Kopech, RHP

 

Tier 2 - 60 FV

3. Luis Robert, OF

4. Alex Hansen, RHP

 

Tier 3 - 50/55 FV

5. Zach Collins, C

6. Dane Dunning, RHP

7. Dylan Cease, RHP

8. Blake Rutherford, OF

9. Jake Burger, 3B

 

Tier 4 - 45/50 FV

10. Micker Adolfo, OF

11. Carson Fulmer, RHP

12. Zach Burdi, RHP

13. Spencer Adams, RHP

 

Tier 5 - 40/45 FV

14. Casey Gillaspie, 1B

15. Jordan Stephens, RHP

16. Gavin Sheets, 1B

17. Jordan Guerrero LHP

18. Thiago Vieira, RHP

19. Ryan Cordell, OF

20. Seby Zavala, C

 

Tier 6 - 40 FV

21. Luis Alexander Basabe, OF

22. Ian Clarkin, LHP

23. Luis Gonzalez, OF

24. Bernardo Flores, LHP

25. Luis Corbelo, SS

26. Tyler Johnson, RHP

27. Jace Fry, LHP

28. Ryan Burr, RHP

29. Alex Call, OF

30. Justin Yurchak, 3B

Edited November 25, 2017 by Chicago White Sox

[bmags]

Tier 1 - 65/70 FV

1. Eloy Jimenez, OF

2. Michael Kopech, RHP

 

Tier 2 - 60 FV

3. Luis Robert, OF

4. Alex Hansen, RHP

 

Tier 3 - 50/55 FV

5. Zach Collins, C

6. Dane Dunning, RHP

7. Dylan Cease, RHP

8. Blake Rutherford, OF

9. Jake Burger, 3B

 

Tier 4 - 45/50 FV

10. Micker Adolfo, OF

11. Carson Fulmer, RHP

12. Zach Burdi, RHP

13. Spencer Adams, RHP

 

Tier 5 - 40/45 FV

14. Casey Gillaspie, 1B

15. Jordan Stephens, RHP

16. Gavin Sheets, 1B

17. Jordan Guerrero LHP

18. Thiago Vieira, RHP

19. Ryan Cordell, OF

20. Seby Zavala, C

 

Tier 6 - 40 FV

21. Luis Alexander Basabe, OF

22. Ian Clarkin, LHP

23. Luis Gonzalez, OF

24. Bernardo Flores, LHP

25. Luis Corbelo, SS

26. Tyler Johnson, RHP

27. Jace Fry, LHP

28. Ryan Burr, RHP

29. Alex Call, OF

30. Justin Yurchak, 3B

 

This is great and pretty much mine. I may remove Burr and add Sosa just because I wrote a long post on him so now I’m invested.

[Chicago White Sox]

This is great and pretty much mine. I may remove Burr and add Sosa just because I wrote a long post on him so now I’m invested.

I’ll be honest, I really struggled with those last four guys. There were probably a dozen or so up for consideration. I actually wanted to included Sosa, but haven’t found too much about him online and clearly there isn’t going to be much video either at this point. Do you mind bumping your post about him or sharing it in this thread? The fact that they brought him over so quickly hopefully speaks volume how the organization feels about him. And we definitely need some of these LatAm signings to start doing something, as my list only had one (excluding Robert) that was orginally signed by the Sox and that’s obviously not good.

Edited November 25, 2017 by Chicago White Sox

[bmags]

I’ll be honest, I really struggled with those last four guys. There were probably a dozen or so up for consideration. I actually wanted to included Sosa, but haven’t found too much about him online and clearly there isn’t going to be much video either at this point. Do you mind bumping your post about him or sharing it in this thread? The fact that they brought him over so quickly hopefully speaks volume how the organization feels about him. And we definitely need some of these LatAm signings to start doing something, as my list only had one (excluding Robert) that was orginally signed by the Sox and that’s obviously not good.

 

There’s like 3 tiers just in your 40FV guys: the bullpen guys, the high ceiling/no production guys, and the possible bench guys.

 

Basabe is a guy though that I think his rep among scouts will exceed writers/fans. I’ll bump my old thread

[bmags]

http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?sh...15&start=15

 

2016 LatAm thread

[Quin]

First off - the number of graduates is insane. Nice seeing guys graduate from the list instead of falling off.

 

Tier 1:

 

1. Eloy Jimenez

2. Michael Kopech

3. Alec Hansen

4. Luis Robert

5. Kevin Maitan

 

Tier 2:

 

5. Zack Collins

6. Jake Burger

7. Dylan Cease

8. Dane Dunning

9. Blake Rutherford

 

Tier 3:

 

10. Spencer Adams

11. Jordan Guerrero

12. Casey Gillaspie

13. Micker Adolfo

15. Jordan Stephens

16. Zack Burdi

17. Gavin Sheets

18. Carson Fulmer

 

Tier 4:

 

19. Seby Zavala

20. Luis Gonzalez

21. Luis Basabe

22. Thyago Vieria

23. Jake Peter

 

Tier 5:

 

24. Yeyson Yrizarri

25. Ryan Cordell

26. Luis Curbelo

27. Jameson Fisher

28. Ian Clarkin

29. Tito Polo

30. A.J. Puckett

 

Tier 6 (no order):

 

Lenyn Sosa

Jace Fry

Aaron Bummer

Amado Nunez

Evan Skoug

Lincoln Henzman

Jace Fry

Charlie Tilson

 

[hi8is]

I'm surprised ( and not so surprised ) to see Carson Fulmer so low on many lists.

[GenericUserName]

I'm surprised more people don't have Yurchak on their lists. He seems similar to Jameson Fisher, but has more power.

 

[bmags]

I'm surprised more people don't have Yurchak on their lists. He seems similar to Jameson Fisher, but has more power.

 

I see Yurchak on one list and Fisher on none. There are good signs with Yurchak but I think everyone has been burned too many times getting excited over rookie ball numbers by college hitters.

[Quin]

I see Yurchak on one list and Fisher on none. There are good signs with Yurchak but I think everyone has been burned too many times getting excited over rookie ball numbers by college hitters.

 

I had Fisher

[GenericUserName]

I see Yurchak on one list and Fisher on none. There are good signs with Yurchak but I think everyone has been burned too many times getting excited over rookie ball numbers by college hitters.

I thought I saw Fisher on 2, but I guess I just read the same one twice.

I guess the bolded is true....but maybe this time is different haha. He actually had one of the top hit tools in the draft and I saw one article that had him rated as like the 6th best 1B in the draft. He's been pretty bad at fielding though. Does anyone know how his arm is or if the team is looking to shift him to the OF? I feel like he profiles a lot better in the OF corners than 1B/DH.

[bmags]

I thought I saw Fisher on 2, but I guess I just read the same one twice.

I guess the bolded is true....but maybe this time is different haha. He actually had one of the top hit tools in the draft and I saw one article that had him rated as like the 6th best 1B in the draft. He's been pretty bad at fielding though. Does anyone know how his arm is or if the team is looking to shift him to the OF? I feel like he profiles a lot better in the OF corners than 1B/DH.

 

I think there are plenty of reasons to think it IS different this time (his age and plate discipline for one) but it’s harder to go out on a ledge for them when before some scout writers say the league has taken notice. If he rakes in Kanny he’ll be on his way.

 

[mac9001]

1 Eloy Jimenez

2 Michael Kopech

3 Alec Hansen

4 Luis Robert

5 Dylan Cease

6 Zack Collins

7 Jake Burger

8 Dane Dunning

9 Blake Rutherford

10 Spencer Adams

11 Seby Zavala

12 Gavin Sheets

13 Jordan Guerrero - Absolutely asinine he's not protected

14 Zack Burdi

15 Jordan Stephens

16 Casey Gillaspie

17 Ryan Cordell

18 Carson Fulmer

19 Micker Adolfo

20 Luis Gonzalez

20 Luis Alex Basabe

21 Jake Peter

22 Thyago Vieira

23 AJ Puckett

24 Bernardo Flores

25 Aaron Bummer

26 Lincoln Henzman

27 Alex Call

28 Jameson Fisher

29 Ian Clarkin

30 Tito Polo

 

 

 

 

[Chicago White Sox]

It’s amazing how far Call & Fisher have fallen. These guys had previously been cemented in the low to mid teens and now are barely cracking these top 30 lists. I included Call at the back end of mine simply because I think injuries prevented us from getting a fair look at him last year. Fisher’s 2017 season was immensely dissapointing to me. The “plus” hit tool hasn’t really flashed and the power hasn’t been great for a legit 23 year old playing in A ball. Combine those with defensive limitations/issues and he’s lost almost all his prospect shine to me.

 

For better or worse, I really think the Sox need to be aggressive with Fisher next year and let him sink or swim in AA. There’s too much OF depth in the low minors right now and Robert, Basabe, Rutherford, Adolfo, & Gonzalez are all better prospects who are more deserving of high A playing time. That doesn’t even include Call who I’d also prioritize at-bats to over Fisher. Jameson better figure his s*** out next year and fast because there’s a ton of talent just waiting to pass him by.

[daggins]

I'll take a crack at this, with two caveats:

 

1. I think everyone's top 5 is going to look more or less the same

2. Past those 5 guys, there isn't a whole lot that I like (based more on results than upside)

 

The farm is clearly in the best shape its been in years, but I think we're still a step back from the Yankees, Braves (post scandal) or Padres. Hopefully the depth improves to offset the misery of losses piling up.

 

1. Eloy Jimenez

2. Michael Kopech

3. Alec Hansen

4. Luis Robert

5. Dylan Cease

6. Blake Rutherford

7. Jake Burger

8. Dane Dunning

9. Zack Collins

10. Zack Burdi

11. Spencer Adams

12. Carson Fulmer

13. Micker Adolfo

14. Jordan Stephens

15. Casey Gillaspie

16. Ryan Cordell

17. Gavin Sheets

18. Luis Alexander Basabe

19. Jordan Guerrero

20. Alex Call

21. Bernardo Flores

22. Seby Zavala

23. Tito Polo

24. Luis Gonzalez

25. Ian Clarkin

26. AJ Puckett

27. Felix Mercedes

28. Kade Mcclure

29. The Glass Man, Charlie Tilson

30. Thyago Viera

 

Just missed - The much discussed Jameson Fisher, Lenyn Sosa, Evan Skoug, Luis Curbelo, Jake Peter

Edited November 26, 2017 by daggins

[NorthSideSox72]

1 Eloy Jimenez

2 Michael Kopech

3 Alec Hansen

4 Luis Robert

5 Dylan Cease

6 Zack Collins

7 Jake Burger

8 Dane Dunning

9 Blake Rutherford

10 Spencer Adams

11 Seby Zavala

12 Gavin Sheets

13 Jordan Guerrero - Absolutely asinine he's not protected

14 Zack Burdi

15 Jordan Stephens

16 Casey Gillaspie

17 Ryan Cordell

18 Carson Fulmer

19 Micker Adolfo

20 Luis Gonzalez

20 Luis Alex Basabe

21 Jake Peter

22 Thyago Vieira

23 AJ Puckett

24 Bernardo Flores

25 Aaron Bummer

26 Lincoln Henzman

27 Alex Call

28 Jameson Fisher

29 Ian Clarkin

30 Tito Polo

 

Man, I thought I was high on Zavala at 15/16-ish.

 

I'll take a crack at this, with two caveats:

 

1. I think everyone's top 5 is going to look more or less the same

2. Past those 5 guys, there isn't a whole lot that I like (based more on results than upside)

 

The farm is clearly in the best shape its been in years, but I think we're still a step back from the Yankees, Braves (post scandal) or Padres. Hopefully the depth improves to offset the misery of losses piling up.

 

1. Eloy Jimenez

2. Michael Kopech

3. Alec Hansen

4. Luis Robert

5. Dylan Cease

6. Blake Rutherford

7. Jake Burger

8. Dane Dunning

9. Zack Collins

10. Zack Burdi

11. Spencer Adams

12. Carson Fulmer

13. Micker Adolfo

14. Jordan Stephens

15. Casey Gillaspie

16. Ryan Cordell

17. Gavin Sheets

18. Luis Alexander Basabe

19. Jordan Guerrero

20. Alex Call

21. Bernardo Flores

22. Seby Zavala

23. Tito Polo

24. Luis Gonzalez

25. Ian Clarkin

26. AJ Puckett

27. Felix Mercedes

28. Kade Mcclure

29. The Glass Man, Charlie Tilson

30. Thyago Viera

 

Just missed - The much discussed Jameson Fisher, Lenyn Sosa, Evan Skoug, Luis Curbelo, Jake Peter

 

Felix Mercedes is no longer a middle infielder, he's been playing 1B and OF, so the bar has gotten much higher for his bat. Also he missed the 2nd half last year, and I am not sure why.

 

[Chicago White Sox]

Man, I thought I was high on Zavala at 15/16-ish.

 

 

 

Felix Mercedes is no longer a middle infielder, he's been playing 1B and OF, so the bar has gotten much higher for his bat. Also he missed the 2nd half last year, and I am not sure why.

Yeah, I wanted to ask you about Felix Mercedes. He was doing incredibly well at Great Falls and then all of sudden he was gone and I couldn’t find a single article or note explaining why. He would have been at the bottom of my top 30 if I knew what happened to him and it was simply injury related. Just seems like there is more to the story with him.

[NorthSideSox72]

Yeah, I wanted to ask you about Felix Mercedes. He was doing incredibly well at Great Falls and then all of sudden he was gone and I couldn’t find a single article or note explaining why. He would have been at the bottom of my top 30 if I knew what happened to him and it was simply injury related. Just seems like there is more to the story with him.

I haven't heard anything, and now with the season over it would be hard for me to find someone to ask. I don't want to go to Chris Getz for something like that, not really worth it. But we should see in the spring.

 

For me, given that his profile wasn't all that great offensively anyway, now that he's playing non-premium positions he's just not in the T30 discussion in my view. That could of course change later.

 

[Rowand44]

It's amazing how I always forget about Zack Burdi until I see these lists.

[bmags]

It's amazing how I always forget about Zack Burdi until I see these lists.

 

Same, but all of the bullpen guys are kinda boring to follow in minors. Their numbers seem kinda unrelated to their progress and status in org. Nobody could have predicted Bummer so high.