pettie4sox Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 Good luck Ohtani! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 8, 2017 -> 01:30 PM) The Mariners front office must be getting drunk right now. The Mariners are the White Sox from 2007 until the rebuild started. Trying to be a major competitor, but never close enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Dec 8, 2017 -> 01:36 PM) The Mariners are the White Sox from 2007 until the rebuild started. Trying to be a major competitor, but never close enough. Yep, and incredible lack of depth due to consistently raiding the farm system to plug holes. (Though dipoto raids the farm system for such similar players so often it's a little unclear why) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 I guess Seattle will be real active this July. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 Angels should probably add another free agent SP. Go all out while they still have Trout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 QUOTE (Quin @ Dec 8, 2017 -> 01:30 PM) Six players traded for cap. So they go sign all the Braves guys. Net win? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 8, 2017 Author Share Posted December 8, 2017 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 8, 2017 -> 12:52 PM) Is a one year ban in the international market that big of a deal if there's a good chance you won't caught? I would hope they have something bigger in mind if they're trying a "scared straight" approach here. The biggest loss would be Ohtani himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 8, 2017 -> 02:54 PM) Angels should probably add another free agent SP. Go all out while they still have Trout. Where's their payroll expected to be at for 2018? Do they have room to add Darvish for $25-30 million per on a 6 year deal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 8, 2017 Author Share Posted December 8, 2017 QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 8, 2017 -> 01:30 PM) The Mariners front office must be getting drunk right now. They sent out half a dozen players to gain international cap space, and completely struck out. They also missed out on a guy like Maitan who signed before they could bring him in potentially. Meanwhile the White Sox sold off 3 sets of cap space and gained three prospects for something they weren't going to use anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 Oh boy, missed initially he's signing with angels in my last response. Genuinely feel bad for mariners. Very glad it's not padres. Excited for years of Trout and Ohtani. STill don't think Angels make playoffs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 8, 2017 -> 02:09 PM) They sent out half a dozen players to gain international cap space, and completely struck out. They also missed out on a guy like Maitan who signed before they could bring him in potentially. Meanwhile the White Sox sold off 3 sets of cap space and gained three prospects for something they weren't going to use anyways. I don't think they should apologize. He was likely worth the effort. It sucks, but this is one of those cases where the right decisions went the wrong way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Dec 8, 2017 -> 03:01 PM) So they go sign all the Braves guys. Net win? Big ones signed already. Maitan with angels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 8, 2017 -> 02:13 PM) Oh boy, missed initially he's signing with angels in my last response. Genuinely feel bad for mariners. Very glad it's not padres. Excited for years of Trout and Ohtani. STill don't think Angels make playoffs Pujols at 1B is going to be brutal, even if it is just 2-3 games a week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 QUOTE (Quin @ Dec 8, 2017 -> 02:15 PM) Big ones signed already. Maitan with angels. and Soto too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 8, 2017 -> 03:09 PM) They sent out half a dozen players to gain international cap space, and completely struck out. They also missed out on a guy like Maitan who signed before they could bring him in potentially. Meanwhile the White Sox sold off 3 sets of cap space and gained three prospects for something they weren't going to use anyways. Interesting choice to pick the Angels, as their farm is one of the weakest in the mlb. Even with Richards back and Ohtani, the pitching staff is pretty suspect. They lost Petit, who pitched 91 solid innings for them in free agency as well. The Astros should have a stranglehold on that division for the next few seasons, even if the Angels went out and signed relief help and Darvish. Best case they would be looking at a wild card I'm thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 8, 2017 -> 02:15 PM) Pujols at 1B is going to be brutal, even if it is just 2-3 games a week. They'll probably just sit him. Even his bat is a net negative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxforlife05 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 (edited) He will wear down a lot sooner than other players with the double duty. I think he’ll be a pitcher only after 4-5 years once his hitting and pitching suffer from the excessive workload and longer season. A nice story but I think his career will be shorter than what you would normally expect. That’s a lot of wear and tear and injury risk being a 2 way player. Edited December 8, 2017 by soxforlife05 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 QUOTE (Quin @ Dec 8, 2017 -> 11:30 AM) Six players traded for cap. There are a lot of other pieces to grab in the marketplace and I'm sure Mariners will grab them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 8, 2017 -> 02:16 PM) Interesting choice to pick the Angels, as their farm is one of the weakest in the mlb. Even with Richards back and Ohtani, the pitching staff is pretty suspect. They lost Petit, who pitched 91 solid innings for them in free agency as well. The Astros should have a stranglehold on that division for the next few seasons, even if the Angels went out and signed relief help and Darvish. Best case they would be looking at a wild card I'm thinking. They have so many injuries I kind of actually wonder if they should just go 6-man rotation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenericUserName Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 8, 2017 -> 02:15 PM) and Soto too. And Severino to the Twins today I believe. The biggest international guy left is probably Julio Pablo Martinez. He just had a showcase today. True 80 speed in CF with some solid hitting ability. All the teams left with money will probably try to target him first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Dec 8, 2017 -> 03:18 PM) He will wear down a lot sooner than other players with the double duty. I think he’ll be a pitcher only after 4-5 years once his hitting and pitching suffer from the excessive workload and longer season. A nice story but I think his career will be shorter than what you would normally expect. That’s a lot of wear and tear and injury risk being a 2 way player. I've never seen him play, so it's hard to fathom that he actually lives up to the enormous hype. Daisuke Matsuzaka came over with enormous hype and only produced 9.3 WAR (Baseball Reference) in 8 seasons. Splitting time batting and being a starting pitcher will be brutal in the long haul, as a 162 game season plus spring training, plus potential playoffs take a huge toll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 Fun...excited Angels got him. Now they need him to blow-up and then they can maybe find a way to build a winning franchise around Trout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 8, 2017 Author Share Posted December 8, 2017 QUOTE (GenericUserName @ Dec 8, 2017 -> 02:26 PM) And Severino to the Twins today I believe. The biggest international guy left is probably Julio Pablo Martinez. He just had a showcase today. True 80 speed in CF with some solid hitting ability. All the teams left with money will probably try to target him first. Supposedly he is the main target of the Yankees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 Just :djuhohgif: at the Mariners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 8, 2017 -> 02:16 PM) Interesting choice to pick the Angels, as their farm is one of the weakest in the mlb. Even with Richards back and Ohtani, the pitching staff is pretty suspect. They lost Petit, who pitched 91 solid innings for them in free agency as well. The Astros should have a stranglehold on that division for the next few seasons, even if the Angels went out and signed relief help and Darvish. Best case they would be looking at a wild card I'm thinking. Angels were 12th last year in overall pitching (ERA and WHIP). It's like they had a team full of #3 starters. Had some good fortune - Orioles basically gave them Bridwell. Add an ace to that mix; best player in baseball in CF. They don't have a lot of prospects, but that can turn. Not a bad place to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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