BlackSox13 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 Thought Seattle had this in the bag. Congrats to the Angels for signing Ohtani, glad it wasn't the cubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 Jon Morosi @jonmorosi #Cubs fans, know that Theo Epstein and his staff did all they could to impress Shohei Ohtani: Their presentation included a Virtual Reality experience of his possible life as a Cub. @MLB @MLBNetwork https://twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/939240097077190656 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 I don't know how people read that and think "the cubs are cool" instead of "god the cubs are insufferable" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 8, 2017 -> 03:31 PM) I don't know how people read that and think "the cubs are cool" instead of "god the cubs are insufferable" Amen! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 Yay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 8, 2017 -> 10:31 PM) I don't know how people read that and think "the cubs are cool" instead of "god the cubs are insufferable" Makes me think Theo needs to stop watching Ballers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 8, 2017 -> 04:01 PM) Makes me think Theo needs to stop watching Ballers LOL, and also the idea that that is "pulling out all the stops". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 8, 2017 -> 05:02 PM) LOL, and also the idea that that is "pulling out all the stops". Maybe I'm crazy, and admittedly I have never seen him play, but are these japanese league stats THAT impressive to warrant such lofty scouting reports? I mean Eric Thames absolutely destroyed japanese league pitching, far more than Otani ever has. I'm not knocking pro japanese baseball, but the competition level is far below the MLB. His 3.3 BB/9 is merely average supposedly for japanese league pitchers as well. Pitching grades: Fastball: 80 | Slider: 65 | Curveball: 50 | Splitter: 65 | Changeup: 50 | Control: 50 | Overall: 70 Hitting grades: Hit: 50 | Power: 65 | Run: 65 | Arm: 80 | Field: 50 | Overall: 60 I'm by no means calling him a bust, but I think there will be much more of a learning curve for him than is being projected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 8, 2017 -> 04:40 PM) Maybe I'm crazy, and admittedly I have never seen him play, but are these japanese league stats THAT impressive to warrant such lofty scouting reports? I mean Eric Thames absolutely destroyed japanese league pitching, far more than Otani ever has. I'm not knocking pro japanese baseball, but the competition level is far below the MLB. His 3.3 BB/9 is merely average supposedly for japanese league pitchers as well. Pitching grades: Fastball: 80 | Slider: 65 | Curveball: 50 | Splitter: 65 | Changeup: 50 | Control: 50 | Overall: 70 Hitting grades: Hit: 50 | Power: 65 | Run: 65 | Arm: 80 | Field: 50 | Overall: 60 I'm by no means calling him a bust, but I think there will be much more of a learning curve for him than is being projected. Eric Thames did not destroy Japanese league pitching as he has never played in the Japanese league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 Japanese baseball >> KBL and is considered a form of AAAA. Yeah, some stars from there come here and fail, but some AAA stars go to the MLB and fail too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 8, 2017 -> 05:43 PM) Eric Thames did not destroy Japanese league pitching as he has never played in the Japanese league. That was Korea, my bad But my point is how well does japanese production translate to MLB? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggins Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 8, 2017 -> 05:40 PM) Maybe I'm crazy, and admittedly I have never seen him play, but are these japanese league stats THAT impressive to warrant such lofty scouting reports? I mean Eric Thames absolutely destroyed japanese league pitching, far more than Otani ever has. I'm not knocking pro japanese baseball, but the competition level is far below the MLB. His 3.3 BB/9 is merely average supposedly for japanese league pitchers as well. Pitching grades: Fastball: 80 | Slider: 65 | Curveball: 50 | Splitter: 65 | Changeup: 50 | Control: 50 | Overall: 70 Hitting grades: Hit: 50 | Power: 65 | Run: 65 | Arm: 80 | Field: 50 | Overall: 60 I'm by no means calling him a bust, but I think there will be much more of a learning curve for him than is being projected. You're crossing up the KBO, which is usually seen as between A+ and AA, and NPB, which is usually considered to be between AAA and MLB caliber. Thames annihilated the KBO, but offense is generally high in that league. Ohtani is an amazing talent, bar none. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenericUserName Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 8, 2017 -> 04:40 PM) Maybe I'm crazy, and admittedly I have never seen him play, but are these japanese league stats THAT impressive to warrant such lofty scouting reports? I mean Eric Thames absolutely destroyed japanese league pitching, far more than Otani ever has. I'm not knocking pro japanese baseball, but the competition level is far below the MLB. His 3.3 BB/9 is merely average supposedly for japanese league pitchers as well. Pitching grades: Fastball: 80 | Slider: 65 | Curveball: 50 | Splitter: 65 | Changeup: 50 | Control: 50 | Overall: 70 Hitting grades: Hit: 50 | Power: 65 | Run: 65 | Arm: 80 | Field: 50 | Overall: 60 I'm by no means calling him a bust, but I think there will be much more of a learning curve for him than is being projected. Put it this way, Ohtani was destroying the league and won the MVP when he was only 21! He is probably going to get better in the coming years. From a stats translation perspective, at a younger age he was better at pitching than Darvish or Tanaka and was a better hitter than Matsui. From a tools perspective he has legit 80 grade pure speed (rated at 65 due to being slow out of the box and not a great base stealer), huge power (literally hit a ball out of the roof), and has hit 102mph while pitching. There are obviously some risks: he has a history of soft tissue injuries, some think his fastball runs too straight, and people wonder if the bat will be able to develop taking so many days off. But from a talent perspective, he is the best all around player to come into the MLB in a long time. Its possible he fails (sure thing prospects fail all the time) but the excitement over what he can do is totally justified. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Dec 8, 2017 -> 01:21 PM) Jon Morosi @jonmorosi #Cubs fans, know that Theo Epstein and his staff did all they could to impress Shohei Ohtani: Their presentation included a Virtual Reality experience of his possible life as a Cub. @MLB @MLBNetwork https://twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/939240097077190656 Hah - what a trip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Angels sign Rymer Liriano to a minor league deal. Big week in Anaheim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 10, 2017 -> 02:36 PM) Angels sign Rymer Liriano to a minor league deal. Big week in Anaheim. Whoa, slow down Angels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 11, 2017 Author Share Posted December 11, 2017 Baltimore is just bizarre. Craig CalcaterraVerified account @craigcalcaterra 5h5 hours ago The Baltimore Orioles did not try to get Shohei Ohtani . . . out of principle http://mlb.nbcsports.com/2017/12/11/the-baltimore-orioles-did-not-try-to-get-shohei-ohtani-out-of-principle/ …://http://mlb.nbcsports.com/2017/12/11...of-principle/ … via @HardballTalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 10, 2017 -> 02:36 PM) Angels sign Rymer Liriano to a minor league deal. Big week in Anaheim. Didn't realize he was a FA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 11, 2017 -> 03:21 PM) Baltimore is just bizarre. Craig CalcaterraVerified account @craigcalcaterra 5h5 hours ago The Baltimore Orioles did not try to get Shohei Ohtani . . . out of principle http://mlb.nbcsports.com/2017/12/11/the-baltimore-orioles-did-not-try-to-get-shohei-ohtani-out-of-principle/ …://http://mlb.nbcsports.com/2017/12/11...of-principle/ …://http://mlb.nbcsports.com/2017/12/11...of-principle/ … via @HardballTalk Lets be honest, there was no chance Otani was going to sign with the Orioles anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 11, 2017 -> 02:40 PM) Lets be honest, there was no chance Otani was going to sign with the Orioles anyway Same goes for about 20 other teams that actually made presentations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 11, 2017 -> 03:44 PM) Same goes for about 20 other teams that actually made presentations. Everyone had to figure West Coast teams had a huge advantage. The Angels are a surprising winner, especially when the Astros have a stranglehold on that division moving forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 QUOTE (Tony @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 09:58 PM) News: Los Angeles Angels star Shohei Ohtani has a damaged ulnar collateral ligament in his pitching elbow, according to a physical obtained by Yahoo Sports. Details: yhoo.it/2C9PDCe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 QUOTE (Tony @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 07:58 PM) News: Los Angeles Angels star Shohei Ohtani has a damaged ulnar collateral ligament in his pitching elbow, according to a physical obtained by Yahoo Sports. Details: yhoo.it/2C9PDCe Yikes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 QUOTE (Tony @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 09:58 PM) News: Los Angeles Angels star Shohei Ohtani has a damaged ulnar collateral ligament in his pitching elbow, according to a physical obtained by Yahoo Sports. Details: yhoo.it/2C9PDCe Did he pitch in that big high school tourney that the whole country follows? If so, an injury would be expected given how much they overwork them in that tourney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 is that the same one that Tanaka has been pitching with? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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