Boopa1219 Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 Maybe the Sox can take whatever they offered for Machado and use it towards Yelich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 QUOTE (Joshua Strong @ Dec 20, 2017 -> 10:02 AM) Maybe the Sox can take whatever they offered for Machado and use it towards Yelich Yelich = Giolito, Robert, Hansen, + ( no thanks ) We just need to keep stock piling and developing. Any trades for established controlled stars is gonna cost way too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 Cameron wrote an article today suggesting the Indians go after Machado and move Ramirez back to 2B. That would be ideal for us IMO, subtract from their future years when we'll be competitive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hibbard Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 This was so dumb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Dec 20, 2017 -> 01:20 PM) Cameron wrote an article today suggesting the Indians go after Machado and move Ramirez back to 2B. That would be ideal for us IMO, subtract from their future years when we'll be competitive. With Kipnis being moved to replace Santana? I guess. With the number of 1b available someone like Abreu via trade or Logan Morrison via FA might seem to make more sense than a forced position switch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Dec 20, 2017 -> 01:52 PM) Oh noes! They are going to "pull him off the market"! What great binary thinking they display over there in Bmore. No s*** nobody is going to offer you much for a rental that probably near 2/3 of clubs can't even come close to resigning. If they are hell bent on trading him then revisit it at the deadline they will have more leverage. QUOTE (hi8is @ Dec 20, 2017 -> 02:04 PM) Yelich = Giolito, Robert, Hansen, + ( no thanks ) We just need to keep stock piling and developing. Any trades for established controlled stars is gonna cost way too much. I'm gonna guess something closer to the Eaton trade, which the above package obliterates. Rutherford, Cease, Collins and a flier is what I imagine it would be. But I'd also skip out on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Dec 20, 2017 -> 12:20 PM) Cameron wrote an article today suggesting the Indians go after Machado and move Ramirez back to 2B. That would be ideal for us IMO, subtract from their future years when we'll be competitive. I said this in this thread about 15 pages back. Why are the Indians not major players for Machado? Their window is closing fast and they are in win-now mode. On top of that, they can't rely on Kipnis at this point (plus he's being floated as trade bait) so Ramirez is their STARTING 2b next year just as he was at the end of last season. Machado is a HUGE upgrade over Urshela/Diaz. Plus, that type of addition more than offsets the loss of Santana's bat in the lineup. It makes too much sense for where they are currently positioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (Quin @ Dec 20, 2017 -> 12:24 PM) I'm gonna guess something closer to the Eaton trade, which the above package obliterates. Rutherford, Cease, Collins and a flier is what I imagine it would be. But I'd also skip out on it. I don't think that package comes close to getting it done. Substitute Robert for Rutherford and it may get done, but even then it still feels light (probably need a better second piece than Cease). But yeah although I was initially in favor of it I'll pass. Maybe after next year if Yelich is still on the market. Edited December 20, 2017 by OmarComing25 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Dec 20, 2017 -> 12:20 PM) Cameron wrote an article today suggesting the Indians go after Machado and move Ramirez back to 2B. That would be ideal for us IMO, subtract from their future years when we'll be competitive. I think this is already the plan. We've already seen Kipnis in the OF and there is talk of Brantley going to 1B. Edited December 20, 2017 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Dec 20, 2017 -> 01:31 PM) I don't think that package comes close to getting it done. Substitute Robert for Rutherford and it may get done, but even then it still feels light (probably need a better second piece than Cease). But yeah although I was initially in favor of it I'll pass. Maybe after next year if Yelich is still on the market. Yeah, you never know with the Marlins, but that offer isn't even close. Ten teams would outbid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Dec 20, 2017 -> 12:31 PM) I don't think that package comes close to getting it done. Substitute Robert for Rutherford and it may get done, but even then it still feels light (probably need a better second piece than Cease). But yeah although I was initially in favor of it I'll pass. Maybe after next year if Yelich is still on the market. I floated a Hansen + Rutherford package in another thread which I think is a good start. Depending on the rankings that come out, these guys could both be top 75 prospects heading into next season. I know Hansen might be off limits for people but Yelich would be tough to pass up. I'd be in favor of bringing in a cost-controlled star particularly position players because I just don't see Sox being able to bring in the top FA's. Yes we'll have the money, but do players really want to come here? And don't forget, Sox have two top 50 picks in next draft that will help offset the loss of any prospects traded this season. Not to mention maybe dealing Avi, trading for Kemp and prospects etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 Wow, ZIPZ sees 4 war for Yelich and 1.9 for Eaton. Selling Eaton after that magical 6 WAR season was a stroke of genius. He'll be lucky to put a 4 WAR season before he retires. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 I just don't know how Rutherford can be a top 100 prospect at this point. That's really crazy. Maybe he will develop, but if there aren't 100 prospects in the minor leagues you would take in exchange for him right now, the game may be in trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Dec 20, 2017 -> 12:50 PM) Wow, ZIPZ sees 4 war for Yelich and 1.9 for Eaton. Selling Eaton after that magical 6 WAR season was a stroke of genius. He'll be lucky to put a 4 WAR season before he retires. I get the sense that guys coming off of major injuries like that are about impossible to project for statistical modeling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 QUOTE (pablo @ Dec 20, 2017 -> 12:48 PM) I floated a Hansen + Rutherford package in another thread which I think is a good start. Depending on the rankings that come out, these guys could both be top 75 prospects heading into next season. I know Hansen might be off limits for people but Yelich would be tough to pass up. I'd be in favor of bringing in a cost-controlled star particularly position players because I just don't see Sox being able to bring in the top FA's. Yes we'll have the money, but do players really want to come here? And don't forget, Sox have two top 50 picks in next draft that will help offset the loss of any prospects traded this season. Not to mention maybe dealing Avi, trading for Kemp and prospects etc. Rutherford isn't top 100 and I'd be surprised if Hansen isn't top 50 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 QUOTE (cjgalloway @ Dec 20, 2017 -> 01:10 PM) Rutherford isn't top 100 and I'd be surprised if Hansen isn't top 50 I'm admittedly a Rutherford fan and liked the trade from the get-go so I will stick up for him. I am a sucker for the good-contact good OBP profile since the system has lacked it for a while. And then when the power comes he's going to rocket back up the rankings. I'd imagine he's still on some top 100 lists, maybe not all of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 Roch KubatkoVerified account @masnRoch 4h4 hours ago BTW, asked Duquette about Machado/trade stuff: "I’m not sure we’re going to focus on that much more after tomorrow." I'll repeat, though, that they can always double back if huge offer comes in. #orioles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 QUOTE (hi8is @ Dec 20, 2017 -> 12:04 PM) Yelich = Giolito, Robert, Hansen, + ( no thanks ) We just need to keep stock piling and developing. Any trades for established controlled stars is gonna cost way too much. Yes, the price for Yelich is going to be higher than Machado because of the very team friendly contract that he has going forward but I think his trade value might be damaged because of the team that he is currently on and the fact that it is widely known that he wants to be traded too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 QUOTE (Joshua Strong @ Dec 20, 2017 -> 12:04 PM) Yes, the price for Yelich is going to be higher than Machado because of the very team friendly contract that he has going forward but I think his trade value might be damaged because of the team that he is currently on and the fact that it is widely known that he wants to be traded too. Not when 28 other teams would likely bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 20, 2017 -> 12:51 PM) I just don't know how Rutherford can be a top 100 prospect at this point. That's really crazy. Maybe he will develop, but if there aren't 100 prospects in the minor leagues you would take in exchange for him right now, the game may be in trouble. He’s still young with plus tools, he’ll most definitely be a top 100 prospect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 20, 2017 -> 02:10 PM) He’s still young with plus tools, he’ll most definitely be a top 100 prospect. I'd take that bet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 I would bet that if he makes a list it will be on mlb pipeline but I think he's off BA/Fangraphs/Law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 20, 2017 -> 03:00 PM) I would bet that if he makes a list it will be on mlb pipeline but I think he's off BA/Fangraphs/Law. This is what I think too, and I bet he'll barely crack the list on mlb pipeline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 (edited) After last season he isn't cracking any list.... Edited December 20, 2017 by cjgalloway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted December 20, 2017 Share Posted December 20, 2017 QUOTE (hi8is @ Dec 20, 2017 -> 12:04 PM) Yelich = Giolito, Robert, Hansen, + ( no thanks ) We just need to keep stock piling and developing. Any trades for established controlled stars is gonna cost way too much. That's WAY too high. What you listed is essentially double the Eaton package, which was considered an overpay industry wide. Yelich will not command not garner that type of offer. Not even close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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