Sockin Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 @BNightengale The #WhiteSox insist they have no intention to flip Manny Machado if they land him, but also believe other teams have made better offers to #Orioles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 QUOTE (Sockin @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 11:10 AM) @BNightengale The #WhiteSox insist they have no intention to flip Manny Machado if they land him, but also believe other teams have made better offers to #Orioles So, who made the best offer? Supposedly the Sox, now maybe not. This is becoming pretty aggravating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 09:11 AM) So, who made the best offer? Supposedly the Sox, now maybe not. This is becoming pretty aggravating. I can't see how you're perceiving that upon reading the tweet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 QUOTE (Sockin @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 09:10 AM) @BNightengale The #WhiteSox insist they have no intention to flip Manny Machado if they land him, but also believe other teams have made better offers to #Orioles This tweet has been posted about 18 times : Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 QUOTE (hi8is @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 12:18 PM) This tweet has been posted about 18 times : That tweet is from like 10 minutes ago... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Starting to feel better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 QUOTE (hi8is @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 11:18 AM) I can't see how you're perceiving that upon reading the tweet. It was reported earlier that the Sox made the best offer to the O's. This tweet says other teams have made better offers. I was just asking which is true. I guess that no one actually knows except for the O's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 QUOTE (hi8is @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 11:18 AM) I can't see how you're perceiving that upon reading the tweet. You should really finish the entire tweet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 09:22 AM) That tweet is from like 10 minutes ago... Ah - I see the additional information at the end of that tweet that differentiates it from the previous one. Durrr! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 QUOTE (Sockin @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 12:10 PM) @BNightengale The #WhiteSox insist they have no intention to flip Manny Machado if they land him, but also believe other teams have made better offers to #Orioles This is actually pretty fascinating. Combine this with the “rob Peter to pay Paul” comment and I feel pretty good that Kopech & Giolito are not involved in any offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Might just be posturing. At this point, they really can’t comment. You know, tampering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 11:26 AM) This is actually pretty fascinating. Combine this with the “rob Peter to pay Paul” comment and I feel pretty good that Kopech & Giolito are not involved in any offer. This kinda reminds me of an auction draft in fantasy sports. A good player comes up and you start bidding kinda high to not waste time, then nobody else is bidding and you start to panic. Baltimore is like "YOU ARE THE BEST OFFER" and now Hahn is like "What, NO! Probably not us. SOmeone else is gonna bid. Can't be us" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soha Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 This feels like the Sox are just putting their interest out there for Manny for later use. I don't think they intend of dealing for him now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 09:26 AM) This is actually pretty fascinating. Combine this with the “rob Peter to pay Paul” comment and I feel pretty good that Kopech & Giolito are not involved in any offer. I take that quote to mean, "we're not trading for Manny from the Os to then flip him to the Yankees." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 12:29 PM) This kinda reminds me of an auction draft in fantasy sports. A good player comes up and you start bidding kinda high to not waste time, then nobody else is bidding and you start to panic. Baltimore is like "YOU ARE THE BEST OFFER" and now Hahn is like "What, NO! Probably not us. SOmeone else is gonna bid. Can't be us" Lol...it does come off that way. But I’m more hopeful now that the Kopech/Giolito tweet was a leak from the Orioles to get other teams to step up their offers and does not reflect what we’re willing to give up. I actually like that we’re involved in the process, just would prefer not giving up any of the core guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 If the Sox don't think they have the best offer, that makes me feel better because they know if they put down one of their big chips, it is the top offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrathofhahn Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 11:42 AM) He's had 3 seasons where he's put up over a 6.0 fWAR. He's 6 days older than Nicky Delmonico. BTW, Yaz in 1967, when Hawk talks about him....12.4 WAR Yeah, the problem with Machado is when you look at Stanton there has been consistent production across the board he's always hit. Machado has really only hit for two years 2015, 2016 the problem is he's been in the league for 6 years. Of course you could write it off with him taking his time to figure out MLB pitching until last year. Where he slashed .259/.310/.471/.782. Now there has to be some concern not a ton but some about giving him a long term deal for Stanton money. What do you do if he regresses to the .750 ish hitter? 10 years is a long time. Orioles got burned badly with Davis in a similar way Edited December 14, 2017 by wrathofhahn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 QUOTE (Quin @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 09:46 AM) If the Sox don't think they have the best offer, that makes me feel better because they know if they put down one of their big chips, it is the top offer. This. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
credezcrew24 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 09:53 AM) Can you name the last few stars that have been traded the offseason before their walk year? I’m sure there are examples, but I can’t think of one other than Shark and that’s using the term loosely. Feels like teams have smartened up and are saving their chips for impact players with more control. I'm not sure if it is the most recent, but Johan Santana had 2 Cy Young's, 4 top 5 finishes, and 32.5 WAR in the 5 seasons before he was traded Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 If Machado has "only hit" for two years, I'd really like to see what an average player is. He's hit well every year since he was 20. Even last year's down year saw great power numbers. Then throw in his defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 I sure hope the "traded by the week's end" line proves to be true. Would rather not lose weeks or months of my life to my White Sox obsession ? This clearly has fired on my OCD mode. Drat! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 (edited) Why would the White Sox say they have the best offer? Of course they will downplay their offer. Again, if all Baltimore is going to get is second tier guys, there is no incentive for them to trade him. Edited December 14, 2017 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 11:52 AM) Why would the White Sox say they have the best offer? Of course they will downplay their offer. Again, if all Baltimore is going to get is second tier guys, there is no incentive for them to trade him. Im trying to figure out why they commented at all on their offer. No problem with letting the public think they have the best offer if they did or didnt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 QUOTE (shipps @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 11:56 AM) Im trying to figure out why they commented at all on their offer. No problem with letting the public think they have the best offer if they did or didnt. If they want the player, they don't want other teams to think they need to up their offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 12:52 PM) Why would the White Sox say they have the best offer? Of course they will downplay their offer. Again, if all Baltimore is going to get is second tier guys, there is no incentive for them to trade him. Our second tier would be many farm system's first tier^ Baltimore is not going to compete against a loaded Yankees and Red Sox in the East and would be best served goign through a rebuild. Dealing Machado would be the start of that. I have heard no desire on the Orioles part in trying to resign him, so you might as well shop him for the best offer either now or at the deadline? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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