soxforlife05 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 QUOTE (oldsox @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 07:23 PM) ChrisnfreakingSale should have gotten at least 3 real prospects, we got two. Face it, DD hoodwinked RH when he added Diaz and Basabe. It's over, who cares. I was just sticking up for Balta. I wanted Devers to make it Moncada, Kopech, Devers but in hindsight that's actually a ton. Would've been nice to get a better player to round out the deal but teams are always going to be hesitant with Sale's perceived arm risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 07:39 PM) At the deadline, it could be anybody. An injury here an injury there, an unexpected contending season...The Cubs gave up a pretty good one for a guy who fires shots at his female companion closer in 2016.They could have had him for a fraction of the price before the season started.. Manny Machado changes your team for the better instantly. If you were an Oriole fan, would you really be happy with the return you mentioned for Manny Machado? Even with the premiums paid for relievers at the deadline, the Chapman return was a huge outlier. Did you see the JDM return? That dude should have commanded much more, but the market didn’t bare it. I’m not going to deny that as an Orioles fan I’d expect a better headliner than Cease in return for Machado, but I really don’t think they’ll get a blue chipper for him at this point. They can definitely wait until the deadline and hope it pays off, but that also comes with the risk of injury and ending up with a second round pick. Plus he’d be delaying the sale of his other assets, which just seems like a bad idea. Hahn had time on his side with Quintana, Duquette doesn’t really have that luxury. It’s either now or the the trade deadline and nothing is promised next July. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducksnort Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 07:51 PM) I wanted Devers to make it Moncada, Kopech, Devers but in hindsight that's actually a ton. Would've been nice to get a better player to round out the deal but teams are always going to be hesitant with Sale's perceived arm risk. Eh, not really sure his arm is of any concern any more. I think he has shown that his perceived "risky" delivery works for him. He hasn't hit the D.L. at all. I think the hesitancy with Sale was his tendency to get worse as the season progresses, which is exactly what happened last year and into the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxforlife05 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (Scoots @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 07:56 PM) Eh, not really sure his arm is of any concern any more. I think he has shown that his perceived "risky" delivery works for him. He hasn't hit the D.L. at all. I think the hesitancy with Sale was his tendency to get worse as the season progresses, which is exactly what happened last year and into the playoffs. All it takes is one pitch to overload tendons/tissues/etc and cause an injury. There doesn't have to be an injury history. He may prove to be a freak of nature but with that delivery I see him eventually suffering an injury and never being the same guy. It could happen any time. Not that I'm hoping he gets hurt to justify moving him but he will end up being a historical anomaly if he goes another 3-4 years injury free. Edited December 15, 2017 by soxforlife05 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 06:51 PM) I wanted Devers to make it Moncada, Kopech, Devers but in hindsight that's actually a ton. Would've been nice to get a better player to round out the deal but teams are always going to be hesitant with Sale's perceived arm risk. You're not getting two top 10 prospects and Devers in that type of deal in 2017. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxforlife05 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (SonofaRoache @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 08:05 PM) You're not getting two top 10 prospects and Devers in that type of deal in 2017. I'm pretty sure Kopech was not a top 10 prospect when he was moved. Moncada was 1, Kopech was top 25 and Devers was around 50-75 range if I recall. Devers and Kopech were both in A ball prior to that offseason of the trade. Edited December 15, 2017 by soxforlife05 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 Kopech isn't going anywhere fellas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrathofhahn Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 08:19 PM) I'm pretty sure Kopech was not a top 10 prospect when he was moved. Moncada was 1, Kopech was top 25 and Devers was around 50-75 range if I recall. Devers and Kopech were both in A ball prior to that offseason of the trade. BA had Kopech 32. Devers was 18. You aren't getting all three in a trade. Honestly, Kopech right now is probably worth more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Friday Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 Cody Asche just signed with the division rival Royals. We need to get Machado at all costs and answer back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 QUOTE (Blackout Friday @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 08:40 PM) Cody Asche just signed with the division rival Royals. We need to get Machado at all costs and answer back. Signature material. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 08:19 PM) I'm pretty sure Kopech was not a top 10 prospect when he was moved. Moncada was 1, Kopech was top 25 and Devers was around 50-75 range if I recall. Devers and Kopech were both in A ball prior to that offseason of the trade. MLB had Devers like #14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrathofhahn Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 QUOTE (Quin @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 08:41 PM) MLB had Devers like #14 17th. https://www.baseball-reference.com/register...id=devers000raf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 QUOTE (wrathofhahn @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 09:26 PM) BA had Kopech 32. Devers was 18. You aren't getting all three in a trade. Honestly, Kopech right now is probably worth more. Kopech is going to be ranked top 10 by every publication in spring and probably top 5 by a couple. He had an absolute ridiculous season relative to age and level and he put to bed any concern of not having the stamina or pedigree to start. He looks like an improved prospect from last offseason and that is saying quite a bit considering he didn't have that far to elevate. I would think long and hard about Kopech straight up for Devers. I'd probably pull the trigger just based on TINSNAPP but man I'd worry every single night laying in bed I traded Thor 2.0 for "just" a 5 WAR 3B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 09:41 PM) Signature material. When the goal is to suck, Cody's your man -- his agent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nokona Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 https://twitter.com/georgeofman/status/941493980201660416 Ofman says no Gio or Kopech Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (Nokona @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 10:37 PM) https://twitter.com/georgeofman/status/941493980201660416 Ofman says no Gio or Kopech says "likely" which seems kinda a silly hedge to me if you're tweeting about it. Pick a side. I'd offer Gio. JR has blessed this move, and he wouldn't bless it if he didn't think they had a shot to resign him. Gio is worth a shot IMO. (You turned Adam Eaton into Lopez, Machado and Dunning!) And getting Machado is going to put some butts in the seats and eyes on the TVs. Edited December 15, 2017 by chitownsportsfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 Anyone else hate the nickname Gio for Giolito? I can’t be the only one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 02:46 AM) Anyone else hate the nickname Gio for Giolito? I can’t be the only one. It was embarrassing hearing Sox fans pronounce his name on the Score today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 08:40 PM) says "likely" which seems kinda a silly hedge to me if you're tweeting about it. Pick a side. I'd offer Gio. JR has blessed this move, and he wouldn't bless it if he didn't think they had a shot to resign him. Gio is worth a shot IMO. (You turned Adam Eaton into Lopez, Machado and Dunning!) And getting Machado is going to put some butts in the seats and eyes on the TVs. More accurately; "You turned Adam Eaton and $300 + Million into Lopez, Machado and Dunning" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 QUOTE (Lillian @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 10:52 PM) More accurately; "You turned Adam Eaton and $300 + Million into Lopez, Machado and Dunning" Well, I don't think I've ever said this on a message board: but it's not my money. Getting Machado wrapped up for 300 million ($30m x 10, boom done) with this young core (minus Gio granted) would have be over the moon excited. Machado is a proven 5 war player. Yea there is some risk in signing him but it's one some team is going to take and if it's the Sox, well f*** me I love it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxwinner Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 People forget that we can still have Gio Kopech and Machado but we'll just have to wait for 2018 offseason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 Realistically, could this lineup combine for 30 WAR if all went right? 1. Robert, RF 2. Moncada, 2B 3. Machado, SS 4. Abreu, 1B 5. Jimenez, LF 6. Delmonico, DH 7. Burger, 3B 8. Collins, C 9. Anderson, CF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 08:47 PM) It was embarrassing hearing Sox fans pronounce his name on the Score today His name is pronounced how it looks, not sure how that is possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 08:54 PM) Well, I don't think I've ever said this on a message board: but it's not my money. Getting Machado wrapped up for 300 million ($30m x 10, boom done) with this young core (minus Gio granted) would have be over the moon excited. Machado is a proven 5 war player. Yea there is some risk in signing him but it's one some team is going to take and if it's the Sox, well f*** me I love it. I wasn't being critical of the suggested acquisition. My comment was only meant to clarify what it would actually entail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 QUOTE (Lillian @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 11:10 PM) I wasn't being critical of the suggested acquisition. My comment was only meant to clarify what it would actually entail. it was a good point you made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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