Bob Sacamano Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 09:21 PM) Roughly what the Yankees gave up for Stanton should be the market to give someone $300 million. Not at all. Marlins were handcuffed on that deal. All about getting rid of his contract and it was limited to 4 teams, and only 3 of those teams had interest. Edited December 13, 2017 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxnfins Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 (edited) Nothing to see here. Hahn is just seeing what Machado wants on the open market.... or is he? Rick Hahn is a madman and has unpredictably huge stones when it comes to these things. He knows the objective. Edited December 13, 2017 by Soxnfins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 06:47 PM) I meant as in a premier hitter. I dont think hes proven that yet. Most everyone to get the money he will has hit on another level compared to him. Obviously his contract will become closer and closer to the norm for stars as the years go by, but man it just seems like everyon e is willing to fork over one of the biggest contracts in sports history no questions asked. A free agent of his caliber at his age is rare. Look at what teams were offering Heyward because he was a 26-year old free agent. And Heyward was nowhere near the hitter Machado has been. Edited December 13, 2017 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 QUOTE (Soxnfins @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 07:33 PM) Nothing to see here. Hahn is just seeing what Machado wants on the open market.... or is he? Rick Hahn is a madman and has unpredictably huge stones when it comes to these things. He knows the onjective. I think this is Kenny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxnfins Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 09:39 PM) I think this is Kenny. You never know these days. Both are bold, kind of tricky to pinpoint what is really true and what isn’t. This really should be the move we make a year from now, not at this point in time, unless he came at a stupidly low price, which he will not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 Why do people keeping throwing out Fulmers name like he is a tradeable asset? He has been terrible for over a year and has no value in a trade other than as a throw in. The cost will at least be one of Giolito/Lopez/Kopech plus one of Dunning/Hansen/Cease. Acquiring Machado gets you a guaranteed comp pick and a season long negotiating window. Maybe after a season of playing with Moncada up the middle everyday he considers staying to be part of the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 09:55 PM) Why do people keeping throwing out Fulmers name like he is a tradeable asset? He has been terrible for over a year and has no value in a trade other than as a throw in. After his debut, Fulmer was quite good in the Majors last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 Love the idea. Hate it if he leaves because 1 comp pick can't replace the value of losing 2 of our pitching prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 10:58 PM) After his debut, Fulmer was quite good in the Majors last year. His peripherals in the bigs weren't that good, but I'll take him having some confidence for next year over anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 10:44 PM) His peripherals in the bigs weren't that good, but I'll take him having some confidence for next year over anything. But you wouldn't trade him and Dunning for Machado with an extension. Everything you're saying adds up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwill Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 I think the best thing the White Sox can do is just chill. Let the madness happen that is the Winter Meetings. Let the young guys develop and take their lumps this year. They need to figure out what prospects will pan out and where they will fit in the rotation and diamond. It is not as exciting as making the big move but it needs to happen. Look at the Yankees last winter meetings. They sat it out and waited for their young guys to develop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCCWS Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 QUOTE (kwill @ Dec 13, 2017 -> 02:25 AM) I think the best thing the White Sox can do is just chill. Let the madness happen that is the Winter Meetings. Let the young guys develop and take their lumps this year. They need to figure out what prospects will pan out and where they will fit in the rotation and diamond. It is not as exciting as making the big move but it needs to happen. Look at the Yankees last winter meetings. They sat it out and waited for their young guys to develop. I agree but the White Sox are not the Yankees. Certainly it made sense for NY and they have an entrenched fan base. So they might have taken a hit on attendance( even some advertising money) while they reloaded but their attendance numbers are still top 5 ish. The White Sox must be concerned on their numbers as the rebuild continues. Hopefully next year, the White Sox marketing can start to "advertise' the kids to get fans to start coming back and hope the advertisers do not wander North. But 2-3 years of struggling could set the Sox back especially if the Cubs continue as an attractive product. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 Trading Manny Machado a real consideration for the Orioles, writes Eduardo Encina. https://t.co/GCh09KBeSX https://twitter.com/Buster_ESPN/status/940902367469457408 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 (edited) Phils would seek negotiating window if they could forge deal w: O’s on machado. They love machado, he knows their execs (MacPhail drafted him for Balt) and they have $. But asked if MM, 1 year from free agency, would grant negotiating window, person involved said: “probably not” https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/940945103857864705 Edited December 13, 2017 by WhiteSoxLifer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Dec 13, 2017 -> 09:46 AM) Phils would seek negotiating window if they could forge deal w: O’s on machado. They love machado, he knows their execs (MacPhail drafted him for Balt) and they have $. But asked if MM, 1 year from free agency, would grant negotiating window, person involved said: “probably not” https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/940945103857864705 So in theory would the deal depend on the team trading for Machado getting him to agree to an extension? That certainly would make things interesting if so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 07:03 PM) Still have my doubts they will get into an unprecedented bidding war Machado's free agency won't be unprecedented, and they just won a bidding war for Luis Robert last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 09:27 PM) Do you value the players the same way? Roughly, yes. That contract is a big deal to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 13, 2017 -> 09:44 AM) Machado's free agency won't be unprecedented, and they just won a bidding war for Luis Robert last year. Sure, and what Robert got total, will be somewhere around $10 million a year short of what Machado will get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 13, 2017 -> 09:49 AM) Sure, and what Robert got total, will be somewhere around $10 million a year short of what Machado will get. That's fine, but doesn't change the fact that he was the hot commodity, the Sox were interested, and they won. People using recent history as a citation for why the White Sox won't be involved in free agency and give out huge contracts are looking at a different time frame. I have absolutely no doubt that the Sox will be involved and will pony up to get their guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 13, 2017 -> 09:53 AM) That's fine, but doesn't change the fact that he was the hot commodity, the Sox were interested, and they won. People using recent history as a citation for why the White Sox won't be involved in free agency and give out huge contracts are looking at a different time frame. I have absolutely no doubt that the Sox will be involved and will pony up to get their guy. That's like saying your friend covered the table's bill at Chili's, so he definitely would do the same at Gibson's. The Sox spending $50 million on a very young international FA isn't all that comparable to a veteran FA who will cost $300+ million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Dec 13, 2017 -> 09:59 AM) That's like saying your friend covered the table's bill at Chili's, so he definitely would do the same at Gibson's. The Sox spending $50 million on a very young international FA isn't all that comparable to a veteran FA who will cost $300+ million. How many teams have spent $300 million on a free agent? This, the Sox have never done it, so it won't happen has blown up a couple of times in poster's faces the last few years. There is a reason Olney mentioned them yesterday, and it wasn't because they are going to drain their farm system for a season of Machado. Edited December 13, 2017 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Dec 13, 2017 -> 09:59 AM) That's like saying your friend covered the table's bill at Chili's, so he definitely would do the same at Gibson's. The Sox spending $50 million on a very young international FA isn't all that comparable to a veteran FA who will cost $300+ million. If they aren't going to be players in free agency next year, and they don't realize how much it will cost, this rebuild will be all for naught. There is no guarantee they end up with Machado, but there is a reason they are showing interest in him now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 13, 2017 -> 05:05 PM) How many teams have spent $300 million on a free agent? Which makes the Machado and Harper free agencies unprecedented Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 13, 2017 -> 10:08 AM) Which makes the Machado and Harper free agencies unprecedented So since the White Sox have never gone there, so they won't, would also apply to every other team. So is this Harper and Machado's final season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 13, 2017 -> 10:08 AM) Which makes the Machado and Harper free agencies unprecedented I feel with ARod's deals and Giancarlo's deal, that these aren't that unprecedented. The free agency period itself will be unprecedented, but the contracts themselves really won't be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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