Star Wars: The Last Jedi *SPOILERS* Thread

[Quin]

There are some legit complaints but a huge number of those are people upset about Luke dying and not being a true hero. Seriously, I wouldn't do it and I read a few but if you read the reviews from those on RT that didn't like it it mostly about Rian Johnson killing their childhood because Luke wasn't what they expected him to be.

 

Luke kinda had to die, but it was a s***ty death.

 

It'd be like if Captain America's likely death is straight from the comics and is a Thanos backslap.

[GoSox05]

Holy s***, do people pick these movies apart.

 

"Why wasn't Finn wearing the proper shoes to run in the casino scene". I think for some people no Star Wars movie will ever live up to expectations. Take the way Luke dies, people complain about it, but he dies in a similar way that Obi Wan Kenobi dies. No one complains about.

 

 

Also stop using Rotten Tomatoes to judge how good or bad things are. It's one step away from being a comment section.

Edited December 15, 2017 by GoSox05

[TaylorStSox]

I don't know how I feel about it. I think Kylo Ren's arc is interesting. I loved that he killed Snoke and don't mind that Snoke didn't have a backstory. The Emperor didn't have a back story at this point either. He was just evil.

 

I'd probably give it a 6.5.

 

I kind of feel closure now that Luke is gone. When they introduced the new Force sensitive kid, I knew I was over it. I have no interest in following a different story in this universe. Star Wars has been a huge part of my entertainment, but I'm okay with moving on. I don't really care what happens to Kylo or Rey at this point, though I like the direction they've taken Kylo Ren in.

[TaylorStSox]

Also, Rogue One is the only Star Wars film since Empire that got the tone right. Well, it was the only film that knew exactly what it wanted to be and stayed consistent. The tone in The Last Jedi was a mess.

 

1. Empire

2. A New Hope

3. Rogue One

4. Return of the Jedi

5. The Force Awakens

6. The Last Jedi

7. Revenge of the Sith

8. Phantom Menace

9. Disgrace of the Clones

 

We ended up with 2 incredible movies, 2 very good movies, 2 mediocre/entertaining movies, and 3 all time bad movies.

 

Lastly, it's pretty obvious they develop an idea for a character and build a story around those characters instead developing a story and creating characters to serve the story.

Edited December 16, 2017 by TaylorStSox

[danman31]

Also, Rogue One is the only Star Wars film since Empire that got the tone right. Well, it was the only film that knew exactly what it wanted to be and stayed consistent. The tone in The Last Jedi was a mess.

I absolutely agree with this. Rogue One nailed both the comedy and the dark story. Last Jedi struggled with the comedy, big time, in what was a dark story. The goofy moments didn't fit a dark story.

 

I'll echo most of what I've read here. Too many cringe-worthy moments. I actually applaud this movie for trying something different. There was a lot of Empire in it (especially the scene with Rey meeting Snoke), but it did a lot of things different as well.

 

Some of the things they tried worked really well. I really liked Luke's role in this. I think it made sense the way they presented it. They could have been more clear on the Luke/Kylo story. The way they told it was confusing. I think he had maybe the only good comedy in the movie. Throwing away the saber Rey gives him after all the build up to that was brilliant. Him dusting off his shoulder after drawing all the fire was good. I'm fine with his ending. It felt weird, but it didn't upset me. What does upset me in the grander scale is that we've now had Han feature in a

 

Some of the things they tried came off as forced or illogical. Too many cringe moments. Leia floating in space is right up there as one of the worst scenes in the franchise. It was just an uneven movie, but at least they didn't do all of the predictable things. Force Awakens didn't really have an original story, but it was certainly fun. This movie went big on the story, which I prefer they try, even if it didn't land. The end result was a movie that wasn't much fun and didn't have a good story. Oh well.

 

Force Awakens for all of my many complaints with it made me incredibly excited for 8. Rogue One, which I enjoyed, made me want to see 4 immediately. This one kind of made me just go 'Ehh, oh well,' without a thought towards what's left. No story line I can think of interests me for 9. Just whatever.

 

Also, is it just me or was anyone else surprised that the First Order was so dominant in the opening scroll? I thought they were the upstart after losing in 6 and the Resistance was in good shape. After winning in 7, suddenly things are way worse just days later in the beginning of 8?

 

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[TaylorStSox]

I actually really like Luke's death. The 3 most powerful Jedi all went out by transcending the Force. It mirrored Obi Wan in that Luke realized showing the antagonist the true power of the Force was more important than a sword fight.

[ptatc]

I actually really like Luke's death. The 3 most powerful Jedi all went out by transcending the Force. It mirrored Obi Wan in that Luke realized showing the antagonist the true power of the Force was more important than a sword fight.

Agreed. they need to find ways to remove the "old group" while slowly phasing in the "new group." I thought it was a good way.

[Steve9347]

Rewatching TFA right now. This movie is 10x better and so much tighter.

[TaylorStSox]

Alright, I’m posting this without reading any comments above this. Trying to post my opinion “fresh” then I’ll read what others thought.

 

-The movie tried to do too much. It was too long for one, the entire casino/Benicio Del Torro story line didn’t need to be there. It was basically to cover one small plot hole about the First Order finding them, which could have been explained 100 different ways.

 

- The horse riding scene at the casino, plus Leia floating in f***ing space really made me roll my eyes. It felt like a weird Disney movie, not Star Wars (I understand the connection, unfortunately).

 

-There were a lot of things I liked. I really liked what they did with Poe, and to see him mature into a leader. Mark Hamill was fantastic, although not sure how I feel about his story arc. I need to think about it more. Thought Yoda was really well done.

 

-I’m very torn right now. There were so many Star Wars moments, but so many things that left me wanting more.

It's because they came up with characters like Finn and they need to find something for them to do, like the garbage Finn subplot. I was really hoping they'd kill him off because he literally serves no purpose in the plot.

[TaylorStSox]

Let's come up with characters that serve 1 of 2 purposes, either sell toys or fit a missing demographic, and come up with a way to work them into the story.

 

Thinking about it more makes me kind of mad. Finn and Rose were a complete waste of time. Can anyone think of a more useless character than Captain Phasma? I mean, why? Why was she even in both movies?

Edited December 16, 2017 by TaylorStSox

[TaylorStSox]

It’s funny, when Finn was going to sacrifice himself against the huge gate buster, I actually got a little sad. But I really have no use for the character.

 

Ugh, I’m actually kind of frustrated with the entire experience, because I just don’t know where I land on things. It’s not about picking the movie apart with small plot holes, it’s about how it fits into the entire saga, and I just don’t know how I feel.

I don't dislike him as a character, but why did he even have to be in the movie? They could have brought him back for Ep 9 if he served a purpose. He should have never been a major character. He's just a tool to move the plot for Rey. That's it.

[ChiliIrishHammock24]

How on earth is 5 your favorite one, yet Rogue One is 6th on the list? Rogue One was so much better than 7 it isn't even funny.

 

I don't have any problems with R1. It was very good in terms of just being a movie. My rankings were for how much I enjoyed each movie, and the only reason I didn't enjoy R1 as much as the others was because we knew how it was going to end. Everyone had to die, and the mission had to succeed. A lot of watching R1 for me was just waiting for it all to work out. Took a lot of drama and suspense out for me.

 

These aren't things they really could have improved upon, it was just never a movie I was super pumped to see to begin with for that reason. I don't even think I saw it during the opening week.

[TaylorStSox]

I slept on it. I hated it. It's just dumb. There's no sense of scale. Watching the Resistance battle the First Order feels like watching the Sox battle the Phillies for worst record. Sure there's a fight, but it's not all that compelling when everyone sucks at their job. Like, literally ever single character sucks at their job. Kylo sucks. Hux sucks. Snoke sucks. Phasma sucks.

 

Comic relief is great. It gives the audience a quick break and can add to the character. Think John McClaine in Die Hard. The quips made him a better character and humanized him. Comic relief is bad when it's completely immersion breaking. How in the hell am I supposed to feel tension when Hux is completely emasculated on a comical level in the very first scene? Yeah, real threatening First Order. Who gives a f***?

 

So Obi-Wan and Yoda fail and go into exile, but they do so with a purpose. Obi-Wan is protecting Luke and Yoda is learning more about the Force by communicating with Force Ghosts. They still have purpose. Meanwhile, Luke is just a quitter? They reduce him to the high school QB that loses the big game, blows out a knee and becomes the town drunk. Whatever, Rian Johnson.

 

Ultimately, it was always better when there was mystery, when Obi-Wan was a space hermit with some powers that were intriguing, when Vader was an ominous and ruthless dog, when the Emperor was a menacing image, when the Force wasn't on full display. When they show us everything and everyone is OP, it's boring. It's why I can't get invested in Marvel movies.

 

Although the X Men are great because there's sensible balance. Wolverine is OP. Well, actually Magneto owns Wolverine. So Magneto is OP? Well Professor X owns Magneto. And so and so on.

Edited December 16, 2017 by TaylorStSox

[Kyyle23]

I was surprised they didn’t kill off Leia. That’s gonna be a rough one

[Brian]

I'm on the underwhelmed side. It's good but I think mostly forgettable. Also felt like it kept going and going.

Why was Rose in this movie? Leia using the force to survive space was a tad dumb as well.

 

Hope Benicio comes back back in Ep IX somehow.

[Quin]

Ultimately, it was always better when there was mystery, when Obi-Wan was a space hermit with some powers that were intriguing, when Vader was an ominous and ruthless dog, when the Emperor was a menacing image, when the Force wasn't on full display. When they show us everything and everyone is OP, it's boring. It's why I can't get invested in Marvel movies.

 

Although the X Men are great because there's sensible balance. Wolverine is OP. Well, actually Magneto owns Wolverine. So Magneto is OP? Well Professor X owns Magneto. And so and so on.

 

You must have missed Civil War, Dr. Strange, Spider-Man, Ragnarok.

 

Heroes pretty much got their asses handed to them in those films.

[Quin]

Re: Last Jedi

 

They should have just made it The Two Towers in space and have a siege on salt world. Have Finn and Rose actually sabotage a First Order craft, but not because they stumbled on Benicio del Toro. Have Luke save the day in person. Give Snoke a purpose. Don't bring back Phasma.

[whitesoxfan99]

Phasma was a bad character, but it didn’t really bother me. It wasn’t like we ever had an emotional attachment to the lead Stormtrooper.

 

I’ve seen a ton of complaints on Snoke. While I understand them, I also think back to the OT. We saw a hologram of Palpatine in Empire, then met him in ROTJ and he died in the same movie. We got his backstory 20 years later in the prequels. That’s why not knowing more about Snoke didn’t bother me a lot.

 

Even then we don't get a ton of backstory other than his rise to power and a little bit of exposition about him usurping power from his Sith master.

[Jose Abreu]

I liked it a lot more after my second time through. I really enjoyed the Luke/Ren ending, as well as the Snoke/Rey/Ren showdown. That Leia flotation scene though... still hate it. I mean, who in the right mind could make that scene and think it was a good idea? Quite possibly the worst scene I've ever watched in any film.

 

I mean, at least there wasn't a big imperial planet destroyer that was deemed indestructible, but eventually destroyed via a tiny weakness that can be shot at, right?

 

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[TaylorStSox]

You must have missed Civil War, Dr. Strange, Spider-Man, Ragnarok.

 

Heroes pretty much got their asses handed to them in those films.

Seriously? There wasn't a single consequence for any of their actions. Not a single character actually died on any of those movies. Not one.

[caulfield12]

I'm on the underwhelmed side. It's good but I think mostly forgettable. Also felt like it kept going and going.

Why was Rose in this movie? Leia using the force to survive space was a tad dumb as well.

 

Hope Benicio comes back back in Ep IX somehow.

 

The answer to Rose is obvious. Changing Demographics. Sometime between now and 2021, China will be the biggest worldwide box office.

 

Chinese weren’t invested in the first three SW films because theatres weren’t so common in the post-Mao era. They jammed two Chinese action stars in Jiang Wen and Donnie Yuen into Rogue 1. Didn’t muster much of a response. Now they’re playing to a younger, female audience (supposedly).

 

Reading comments online, there are quite a few out there who resent “minority” characters like Finn and Rose being injected into “their” Star Wars universe and consider it political correctness run amok.

 

Interestingly, research seems to indicate John Boyega playing such a large role seems to have turned off Chinese filmgoers...you would be shocked how he was underplayed in all the promotional materials for AFA. And audiences are now smartening up to the fact of when they’re obviously being pandered to. It did work for one of the Transformers films...because the setting was 1/4th China and all the product placements in the version shown over here. But putting famous Chinese actresses like Li Bing Bing into comic movies for cameo doesn’t work anymore, or Angelababy into ID4.

[Quin]

Seriously? There wasn't a single consequence for any of their actions. Not a single character actually died on any of those movies. Not one.

 

Ah, I was going with the OP comment.

[TaylorStSox]

Ah, I was going with the OP comment.

They're connected. There's no tension because there are no consequences. I never feared for Thor or Dr Strange. Thor is a God ffs. I don't even really count Civil War because it was just bad on a number of levels, imo.

[bmags]

I just saw it.

 

It’s kinda like season 3/4 of lost. It was too long, there are way too many characters, and two movies in we are still only figuring out what the overarching fight is.

 

The bad news about snoke dying is he could set this trilogy up for being “bigger” by having controlled things for years.

 

The good news is now with kr we know the primary motivations of the empire.

 

All the past stuff has been disposed and they can move on. The bad news is they couldn’t figure out how to make the past really work.

 

It’s just a mess. They want to make Star Wars movies, but they don’t have a Star Wars story. Oh there’s a good Jedi and a bad Jedi? Great.

[whitesoxfan99]

They're connected. There's no tension because there are no consequences. I never feared for Thor or Dr Strange. Thor is a God ffs. I don't even really count Civil War because it was just bad on a number of levels, imo.

 

So what you are saying is you don't like mainstream movies? Because guess what, the main character is basically never dying. Hell even in Nolan's Batman series no character anyone cared about died (Rachel doesn't count, no one cared about that).