wrathofhahn Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Not sure where to put this mod can move it where they see fit but it's must see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 QUOTE (wrathofhahn @ Dec 20, 2017 -> 08:11 PM) Not sure where to put this mod can move it where they see fit but it's must see. LaBatard is another self important, agitator. Nothing to see here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrathofhahn Posted December 21, 2017 Author Share Posted December 21, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Dec 20, 2017 -> 11:23 PM) LaBatard is another self important, agitator. Nothing to see here. I agree with everything you said but that is not what this was. He asked the tough questions everyone else has been afraid to ask. Marlins fans got screwed. Miami taxpayers got screwed. Jeter is a joke. This actually funny enough reminds me of the orginal sale of the Expos. Bought the team then sold off all the players honestly the only thing keeping the Marlins around is the new ballpark. Edited December 21, 2017 by wrathofhahn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 I had to turn it off. Too confrontational. Interview the guy, don't roll your eyes and yell at the commish and make yourself the story. I know he's mad about south florida but just ask questions and not bark them out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Dec 20, 2017 -> 10:23 PM) LaBatard is another self important, agitator. Nothing to see here. There was plenty to see there, for once I applaud LeBatard for going after Manfred. He was absolutely correct, there was no way that Manfred wasn’t aware that Jeter was going to slash payroll after acquiring the team, and Manfred kept lying about it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 21, 2017 -> 05:18 AM) There was plenty to see there, for once I applaud LeBatard for going after Manfred. He was absolutely correct, there was no way that Manfred wasn’t aware that Jeter was going to slash payroll after acquiring the team, and Manfred kept lying about it Sorry. When guys like him, Cowherd, Berman and their ilk open their mouths I turn the channel or go to another web page. That's the price they pay for their arrogance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 It's really something to hear a pro sports commissioner get really fired up like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 This was a great interview and credit to Dan Le Batard for asking Manfred, direct questions and pursuing answers like he did. This whole situation with the Marlins stinks and Manfred had to be aware Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 21, 2017 -> 06:18 AM) There was plenty to see there, for once I applaud LeBatard for going after Manfred. He was absolutely correct, there was no way that Manfred wasn’t aware that Jeter was going to slash payroll after acquiring the team, and Manfred kept lying about it Why would Manfred know about the daily operations of one of the owners? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 QUOTE (ptatc @ Dec 21, 2017 -> 04:07 PM) Why would Manfred know about the daily operations of one of the owners? Because that owner had just pitched Manfred and the other owners on what he would do if his group was chosen to buy the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 QUOTE (ptatc @ Dec 21, 2017 -> 02:07 PM) Why would Manfred know about the daily operations of one of the owners? It’s not daily operations. It’s the purchase of the team, I’m sure Jeter and associates had to lay out a plan to MLB explaining exactly what they were going to be doing after the purchase to start paying off the debt they just acquired. When you buy a house or a business the banks go through everything and ask how you will pay for things and where the money is coming from. If it was any other team tearing down and rebuilding, yea it would be daily operations. But the ink wasn’t even dry yet and Jeter starts selling off guys for pennies on the dollar and getting players back that certainly aren’t worth anywhere close to the players they were traded for. I’m sure Manfred knew they were gonna tear it down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 It's been years since I've seen Le Batard. He looks terrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Dec 20, 2017 -> 10:23 PM) LaBatard is another self important, agitator. Nothing to see here. This was actually very solid media work, and not spineless kiss ass drivel like we usually get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 21, 2017 -> 05:35 PM) This was actually very solid media work, and not spineless kiss ass drivel like we usually get. While he did immediately come out combative and it was a bit unsettling, he is right to grill Manfred about his apparent lack of foresight to see Jeter strip this team down. But on the other side of that, like Manfred said, it's not really his concern what a team does with their payroll, as long as it appears to be for the betterment of the franchise in the long term. That part of it is assumed, but obviously up for debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 21, 2017 -> 02:48 PM) It’s not daily operations. It’s the purchase of the team, I’m sure Jeter and associates had to lay out a plan to MLB explaining exactly what they were going to be doing after the purchase to start paying off the debt they just acquired. When you buy a house or a business the banks go through everything and ask how you will pay for things and where the money is coming from. If it was any other team tearing down and rebuilding, yea it would be daily operations. But the ink wasn’t even dry yet and Jeter starts selling off guys for pennies on the dollar and getting players back that certainly aren’t worth anywhere close to the players they were traded for. I’m sure Manfred knew they were gonna tear it down I'm sure the debt was discussed. But did it necessarily include "we are trading Stanton" "we are trading Ozuna" Or was it more "we are going to follow the White Sox/Houston/Cubs model and trade assets for a rebuild. I don't see how they are doing anything different than other teams like the White sox. Their commodities are different due to the contracts and the fans aren't tolerating it like the sox fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 QUOTE (ptatc @ Dec 21, 2017 -> 09:55 PM) I'm sure the debt was discussed. But did it necessarily include "we are trading Stanton" "we are trading Ozuna" Or was it more "we are going to follow the White Sox/Houston/Cubs model and trade assets for a rebuild. I don't see how they are doing anything different than other teams like the White sox. Their commodities are different due to the contracts and the fans aren't tolerating it like the sox fans. The returns are a night and day difference though. This board would have erupted and called for Hahn's head if the Sox got returns like that for Sale, Eaton, and Q. But like you said, the contracts have really left the Marlins is a tough position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrathofhahn Posted December 22, 2017 Author Share Posted December 22, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (CWSpalehoseCWS @ Dec 21, 2017 -> 11:04 PM) The returns are a night and day difference though. This board would have erupted and called for Hahn's head if the Sox got returns like that for Sale, Eaton, and Q. But like you said, the contracts have really left the Marlins is a tough position. I think the difference is Hahn was prepared in all cases to hold onto the player. The Marlins needed to trade contracts and the whole league knew it. They weren't baseball trades. I think if they were and the returns were different then the response would be much different. Nowadays with Baseball America, Law, and Sickels hell even Mayo and MLB.com has got into the action with ranking you just can't hide bad deals. People can read scouting reports and bad trades get killed quickly and this was a bad deal. Yankees didn't even touch their top prospects. Edited December 22, 2017 by wrathofhahn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Dec 21, 2017 -> 11:27 AM) Sorry. When guys like him, Cowherd, Berman and their ilk open their mouths I turn the channel or go to another web page. That's the price they pay for their arrogance. The fact that you compare Berman and LeBatard makes it obvious you've never even listened to LeBatard before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 http://m.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Daily/Iss...s/Marlins1.aspx? He knew QUOTE (ptatc @ Dec 21, 2017 -> 09:55 PM) I'm sure the debt was discussed. But did it necessarily include "we are trading Stanton" "we are trading Ozuna" Or was it more "we are going to follow the White Sox/Houston/Cubs model and trade assets for a rebuild. I don't see how they are doing anything different than other teams like the White sox. Their commodities are different due to the contracts and the fans aren't tolerating it like the sox fans. This is not the white sox/Cubs/Houston model of rebuilding. They aren’t acquiring can’t miss prospects, I don’t even think they have gotten a top 50 prospect yet and have traded two of the best players available this offseason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 Manfred is also in charge of overall health of the league. While in general I don't think he should step in and dictate payroll, the history of the Miami Marlins and the screwjob that stadium just pulled on the city should dictate not actively screwing the city again. Miami could be an incredible baseball town. It is the town that virtually all of south america, carribean and gulf islands enter the United States. Did they really think having a celebrity point owner is better than creating another vital baseball hub? How'd Michael Jordan work out for Charlotte? It was a bad decision that Manfred is taken aback by because he never talks to anyone but his rich owner friends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 The Sox did well on their players because they were signed to cheap contracts. You can't get top talent in exchange for a $300M player on a $300M contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 QUOTE (Jake @ Dec 23, 2017 -> 12:54 AM) The Sox did well on their players because they were signed to cheap contracts. You can't get top talent in exchange for a $300M player on a $300M contract. So the question is - is it worth it to your team to win those game that year? For the Marlins, clearly no. It is not worth that money to them to win games next year, or the year after. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 22, 2017 -> 09:32 AM) http://m.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Daily/Iss...s/Marlins1.aspx? He knew This is not the white sox/Cubs/Houston model of rebuilding. They aren’t acquiring can’t miss prospects, I don’t even think they have gotten a top 50 prospect yet and have traded two of the best players available this offseason There is no such thing as a can't miss prospect. Some of the ones the sox acquired will fail at the MLB, some will get injured and not meet expectations. They are following a similar path of trading what they can get for there current players, the return has been less due to the bad contracts the previous ownership left them as opposed to the good contracts Hahn had. But the idea is the same. they have a fan base that doesn't show up unless they win just like the Sox. The big contracts were crippling the team from fielding a team that can really win. So they need to start over. Just like the Sox. The sox are on a faster trajectory due to the quality of prospects they acquired, at least some should pan out. they are just starting closer to rock bottom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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