Eminor3rd Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Like all rebuilders after year one, it's going to be a high-variance team. It's possible that players develop quicker than they should. But the expectation should be high draft pick. Success is possible but would be a pleasant surprise. Root for players this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 The thing I'm worried about is what Philly went through last year where a lot of their promising pitchers the year before were underperforming or on shelf for injury. What happens if Lopez and Giolito miss a month? Hard not to see a 100 loss team with injuries to our starting pitching. But also I'm not sure I understand this trading Abreu and Garcia is more important than losing thing. Neither of them are close to as good of a trade asset as Quintana was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 I'm going to guess around the same.. No Quintana, Robertson, Kahnle, Swarzak, Melky or Frazier for more than half the year.. I expect Avi to regress.. who doesn't? HOWEVER, I'd have to assume some improvements and positive steps from the prosepcts (Moncada, Giolito, Lopez, Kopech and Eloy (both will be up by the trade deadline)). So I will guess 65-70 wins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenksycat Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 I'm in a rare optimism mode. I don't think Melky & Frazier (Yolmer had a better year) were world beaters last year so the only major loss is Q (who was not his usual self with the 2017 Sox) & the bullpen (who can have a random guy catch fire) Gio and Lopez continue to improve Rodon exists still hopefully Optimistically believe Sheilds magically found a new arm slot and isn't a BP pitcher any more Yoan & Tim continue how they ended 2017 Abreu does Abreu Avi hopefully does new Avi Yolmer & Leury wild cards In June they're infused with Kopech and Eloy To me that doesn't seem like a worse team but who knows. 3/4 of the above will be the opposite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominikk85 Posted January 5, 2018 Author Share Posted January 5, 2018 Definitely high variance. If eloy and kopech come up early and dominate, moncada becomes a star and giolito and lopez become useful starters I could see them winning 77. But they just as well could have a few young guys having a sophomore slump, one or two pitching injuries and quickly they are a 57 win team. I would pick the middle ground and around 65 wins. Better than fangraphs projections but not by much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrathofhahn Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 QUOTE (FloydBannister1983 @ Jan 5, 2018 -> 08:58 AM) Why would these be mutually exclusive? Jimenez didn't even play in the majors last year so why couldn't they have made that trade and get the top pick? Because the deal wasn't available at the beginning of the season. My point is if we have to hold on to Abreu or Garcia (less enthused) to get a better offer at the deadline and somehow drop from 1st to 4th like last year. Or even something like 8th I'm fine with it. Maximizing what you get back via trade is more important then a couple of spots in the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thxfrthmmrs Posted January 5, 2018 Share Posted January 5, 2018 Things I’d like to see: Trade Abreu and Yolmer to NYY for Frazier, Andujar, and Bird. Tank hard for a top 3 pick in 2018. Sign Machado and whoever else to fill the holes, compete in 19. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thad Bosley Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 (edited) In 1989, the White Sox finished the season with the 4th worst record in all of baseball (sound familiar?), finishing ahead of only Detroit (sound familiar?), Philadelphia (sound familiar?), and Atlanta that season. In July of that season, they traded their most valuable Major League asset (sound familiar?) for an elite pitching and elite position player prospect (sound familiar?). They then entered the 1990 season with the youngest roster in all of baseball. And then they went and won 94 games. So who knows what will happen next season? It’s baseball, anything can happen. Not suggesting the 2018 team will be similarly as successful as the 1990 team, but merely suggesting anything is possible after watching what transpired in 1990 after the dreadful 1989 season. Edited January 6, 2018 by Thad Bosley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 I think Sox in '18 will be very close to .500. Maybe better, if they don't trade out two big boys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 2018... the year of a system wide "wait sitting on your hands" evaluation mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 QUOTE (hi8is @ Jan 5, 2018 -> 11:21 PM) 2018... the year of a system wide "wait sitting on your hands" evaluation mode. The height of 2018 will be spring training. It is all downhill from there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Jan 5, 2018 -> 08:32 AM) I'm in a rare optimism mode. I don't think Melky & Frazier (Yolmer had a better year) were world beaters last year so the only major loss is Q (who was not his usual self with the 2017 Sox) & the bullpen (who can have a random guy catch fire) Gio and Lopez continue to improve Rodon exists still hopefully Optimistically believe Sheilds magically found a new arm slot and isn't a BP pitcher any more Yoan & Tim continue how they ended 2017 Abreu does Abreu Avi hopefully does new Avi Yolmer & Leury wild cards In June they're infused with Kopech and Eloy To me that doesn't seem like a worse team but who knows. 3/4 of the above will be the opposite If I had to agree with any post in the thread this is the one. What players we open the season with still has a way to go though so I'll reserve judgement until I see opening day 25 man roster. Making any prediction now just because we got 2 new bullpen arms means nothing. I still expect the Sox to acquire this years version of Pelfry/Holland only a better version. Yolmer should be the starting 3rd baseman, Moncada improves drastically. Maybe the Fulmer of September wasn't a mirage. Delmonico provides LH pop. Leury every day CF . Anderson bounce back. Kopech and Eloy scream "put me in coach I'm ready to play TODAY ! " Gio and Rey are here to stay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Jan 6, 2018 -> 03:15 PM) If I had to agree with any post in the thread this is the one. What players we open the season with still has a way to go though so I'll reserve judgement until I see opening day 25 man roster. Making any prediction now just because we got 2 new bullpen arms means nothing. I still expect the Sox to acquire this years version of Pelfry/Holland only a better version. Yolmer should be the starting 3rd baseman, Moncada improves drastically. Maybe the Fulmer of September wasn't a mirage. Delmonico provides LH pop. Leury every day CF . Anderson bounce back. Kopech and Eloy scream "put me in coach I'm ready to play TODAY ! " Gio and Rey are here to stay. My rule of thumb from 2015 and 2016 and well, every white sox season - when you make the list of "everything that could go right!!!", you have to stop and say "Some of these things will go wrong". Maybe a bad year for Moncada, someone in that list will get hurt, maybe a couple of the starters struggle and you have to tolerate a few 1 inning 8 run games, maybe Delmonico was a mirage, maybe Leury was a mirage, maybe Anderson really wasn't that good. Most likely, it will be a mix of the 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 6, 2018 -> 03:46 PM) My rule of thumb from 2015 and 2016 and well, every white sox season - when you make the list of "everything that could go right!!!", you have to stop and say "Some of these things will go wrong". Maybe a bad year for Moncada, someone in that list will get hurt, maybe a couple of the starters struggle and you have to tolerate a few 1 inning 8 run games, maybe Delmonico was a mirage, maybe Leury was a mirage, maybe Anderson really wasn't that good. Most likely, it will be a mix of the 2. I don't need a dose of realism . Baseball is all about optimism. as the season unfolds it becomes what it becomes. I will watch and be hopeful every year until my dying day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Jan 7, 2018 -> 12:14 AM) I don't need a dose of realism . Baseball is all about optimism. as the season unfolds it becomes what it becomes. I will watch and be hopeful every year until my dying day. When your hope says "this is a 120 win team" in 2020, I'm going to be excited because we'll be en route to 100 wins and I'll see you in the series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 For the first time in.....MANY years, I anticipate rooting for wins all year long. This roster is almost entirely filled, or will be filled, with our "future". I'd like to see them improve, I'd like to see them win. In years prior, we had enough veterans and fillers that I wanted them to lose, even at the expense of many of those same vets and fillers. But now, losing will come at the hand of our young core. That's not what I want. WIN BABY, WIN. AND DAMNIT IT FEELS GOOD AGAIN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Jan 6, 2018 -> 11:43 PM) For the first time in.....MANY years, I anticipate rooting for wins all year long. This roster is almost entirely filled, or will be filled, with our "future". I'd like to see them improve, I'd like to see them win. In years prior, we had enough veterans and fillers that I wanted them to lose, even at the expense of many of those same vets and fillers. But now, losing will come at the hand of our young core. That's not what I want. WIN BABY, WIN. AND DAMNIT IT FEELS GOOD AGAIN. Yup well said. Would love to bury the reverse standings thread for a long time. Maybe dig her back up in 2035 or so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sox Fan In Husker Land Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Jan 5, 2018 -> 06:23 PM) In 1989, the White Sox finished the season with the 4th worst record in all of baseball (sound familiar?), finishing ahead of only Detroit (sound familiar?), Philadelphia (sound familiar?), and Atlanta that season. In July of that season, they traded their most valuable Major League asset (sound familiar?) for an elite pitching and elite position player prospect (sound familiar?). They then entered the 1990 season with the youngest roster in all of baseball. And then they went and won 94 games. So who knows what will happen next season? It’s baseball, anything can happen. Not suggesting the 2018 team will be similarly as successful as the 1990 team, but merely suggesting anything is possible after watching what transpired in 1990 after the dreadful 1989 season. You left off the most important transaction of 1989, the Sox drafted some guy in June with the 7th overall pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrathofhahn Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 (edited) During a season’s end press conference, White Sox GM Rick Hahn admitted that the team is unlikely to win any time soon. “Even under the most optimistic projections of our ability to contend, certainly ’18 and ’19 don’t include the bulk of the time when we anticipate having a window open to us,” Hahn told reporters. Rome wasn't rebuilt in one season. It's also hugely impacted by things beyond our control. What teams offer for Abreu and Garcia. Whether or not an elite FA is interested in coming next year. I think if everything goes right some team offers a huge package for Abreu. Some team offers a good package for Garcia and part of the package includes top end pitching talent hard to get. You maybe have a shot in 2019 when the rest of kids are ready. But realistically it's probably 2020. Edited January 7, 2018 by wrathofhahn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 This team will have a top 5 pick this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polar Bear Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 I would say 75-100 wins bc our division is gonna be awful. Our pitching should be getting better and better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 7, 2018 -> 12:53 PM) This team will have a top 5 pick this year. If that happens, it'd be safe to assume that the majority of the young players struggled really badly. It won't happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominikk85 Posted January 8, 2018 Author Share Posted January 8, 2018 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jan 7, 2018 -> 03:15 PM) If that happens, it'd be safe to assume that the majority of the young players struggled really badly. It won't happen. Actually the young guys need to improve a lot to even repeat last years result. -no half season of quintana -no kahle and Robertson -no todd frazier (wasn't great but at least like league average) -abreu is a year older and might regress a little -avi is due to some regression as he had a huge babip (fangraphs projects him for 2 wins less than last season) That is at least 7-8 wins going away. Will the young guys make up for all of that especially when eloy and kopech likely won't be up at least until august or so? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 QUOTE (GermanSock @ Jan 7, 2018 -> 06:37 PM) Actually the young guys need to improve a lot to even repeat last years result. -no half season of quintana -no kahle and Robertson -no todd frazier (wasn't great but at least like league average) -abreu is a year older and might regress a little -avi is due to some regression as he had a huge babip (fangraphs projects him for 2 wins less than last season) That is at least 7-8 wins going away. Will the young guys make up for all of that especially when eloy and kopech likely won't be up at least until august or so? On the flip side, the Sox will have full seasons from Moncada, Giolito, Lopez, Fulmer, Delmonico, etc. My point is that if the Sox are so bad to the extent that they get another top 5 pick, 2018 will be a horrible failure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxFanMike Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 QUOTE (Tony @ Jan 7, 2018 -> 07:09 PM) And a bullpen featuring....no one. I understand what you're trying to say, but there are a ton of variables at play when it comes to overall record. Of course. I just don't think they'll be that bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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