caulfield12 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 (edited) Trump is likely to reinforce his support for farmers when he travels to Iowa on Thursday because the state offers a test case for the sentiment of grassroots voters in the fall. In a sign that the administration is worried about trade blowback in the Hawkeye State especially, Vice President Mike Pence is just back from a visit and offering a promise: "Under President's Trump's leadership we are always going to stand with American farmers." Iowa's political significance to Trump's political future cannot be doubted. If Democrats flip the state in 2020 and add its neighbor, Wisconsin, and Florida, they have a path to the 270 electoral votes needed to win the White House. Before then, Democrats are targeting several races that they believe could help them recapture the House this year. Republicans do have advantages in Iowa. The unemployment rate, at 2.7 % in June, is below the national average. Trump won the state by nearly 10 percentage pointstwo years ago, though his approval rating has since dipped. Social and religious conservatives in Iowa and elsewhere were vital for the President in 2016, and he has repaid their loyalty with two Supreme Court picks and by moving the US Embassy in Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. "The biggest fan may very well be the evangelicals. They wanted that built," Trump noted Monday, in another sign that he is watching his electoral coalition like a hawk. But Iowa's mostly Republican officeholders have also sounded the alarm, warning the President in a letter last month that his tariffs have "real consequences." And while there was a cautious welcome for the farm aid package on Tuesday, many Republicans warned that it was just a short-term solution. "Many US products face market barriers abroad. I don't fault the President for trying to get a better deal for Americans, but it's not fair to expect farmers to bear the brunt of retaliation for the entire country in the meantime," said Iowa's Sen. Chuck Grassley. "What farmers in Iowa and throughout rural America need in the long term are markets and opportunity, not government handouts," Grassley said. There was also evidence of an ideological divide between Republicans and their President. Bailing out farmers to mitigate the consequences of a tariff-raising strategy runs directly counter to generations of GOP economic orthodoxy. House Speaker Paul Ryan, a Wisconsin Republican who is often loath to criticize Trump, said: "I just don't think the tariff route is the smart way to go." There were grumbles about the farm aid package from inside the weekly caucus meeting of Republican senators. One GOP senator wouldn't name names, but said on condition of anonymity that members from agricultural states reported general frustration with the President. "It was people from farm country saying, 'Things have changed,' (a) lot fewer MAGA hats around," the senator said. cnn.com Edited July 25, 2018 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 (edited) So free handouts to farmers because of tariffs. Paying for votes. Of course this $12 billion will never be considered a cost for these tariffs. What kind of a lawyer would tape a client? So sad! Is this a first, never heard of it before? Why was the tape so abruptly terminated (cut) while I was presumably saying positive things? I hear there are other clients and many reporters that are taped - can this be so? Too bad! Even though I do think it isn't right for a lawyer to tape a client without the client knowing, why is Trump crying about being taped? Hasn't he mentioned taping people himself without their knowledge several times before? Oh well, the failing Ivanka Trump fashion line is going out of business. I guess their base can't afford her sweatshop made apparel. They should check out TJ Maxx. You can get her made not in America stuff for $1. Edited July 25, 2018 by Dick Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 (edited) The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. His heart sank as he thought of the enormous power arrayed against him, the ease with which any Party intellectual would overthrow him in debate, the subtle arguments which he would not be able to understand, much less answer. And yet he was in the right! They were wrong and he was right. The mistake Orwell made was in thinking that the Ministry of Truth even needed to go back and edit old press releases and announcements when we've now seen they could have just shouted FAKE NEWS and a good chunk of the country would have went along with it. Edited July 25, 2018 by StrangeSox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 US and EU negotiating trade deal. Hoping to get to zero tariffs. Weren’t tariffs supposedly great yesterday, now no tariffs great? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 (edited) The one thing I don't understand with this Trump/Cohen tape is why there is a debate whether he said pay cash or don't pay in cash. Of course he said pay cash. Why would he even mention it otherwise? Although it doesn't appear a crime occurred here. Edited July 26, 2018 by Dick Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Hurtin Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 13 minutes ago, Heads22 said: Lordy, I hope there's a tape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 46 minutes ago, Heads22 said: That's a paddlin'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 Someone should congratulate him on his upcoming 5 year honeymoon (less with good behavior) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 So weird that Nunes wouldn't let the Democrats subpoena his phone records to see who he made a restricted call to before and after the meeting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 Staunch conservatives and American preservationists are Trump’s true base, representing about half of those who voted for him. They tend to be America-first nativists who are socially conservative and opposed to immigration, and may feel culturally threatened. Trump’s hard-line immigration policy is meant for them, and they’ll probably stick with him no matter what. The disengaged, a small portion of Trump voters, aren’t very knowledgeable about politics, but they do tend to feel powerless and left behind in the modern economy. Trump’s vilification of immigrants and Muslims may appeal to them and earn their loyalty. Free marketeers and anti-elites are more moderate. They tend to be traditional Republicans who may have voted for Trump simply out of party loyalty. They support free trade and a light government touch on the economy, which is at odds with Trump’s interventionist trade policy. Some of these people already regret voting for Trump, and he could lose more if his protectionist trade policy backfires or the economy weakens. Since these two groups represent about 45% of Trump voters, his approval rating could fall into the mid or low 30s if the economy begins to struggle, which would weaken Trump’s political power and his leverage over fellow Republicans in Congress. This is his biggest vulnerability. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-supporters-never-waver-185256151.html More Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 Trump bragging about this new health care plan that he hears is doing record business. Record business. Great health care for very little money. It went unchecked. His Secretary of Labor wouldn’t. Or react him. Either he cannot help himself or he really is just so out of the loop he doesn’t know. Remove him please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 How much credit should Trump get for the economy versus riding off what Obama did? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 They did a massive stimulus in the form of $2T of tax cuts for the wealthy and businesses. Still not trickling down to real wage growth for most people, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 It won't be too long until we're at "actually it's good that the GOP colluded with Russia to stop Clinton!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swingandalongonetoleft Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 (edited) 10 hours ago, caulfield12 said: Staunch conservatives and American preservationists are Trump’s true base, representing about half of those who voted for him. They tend to be America-first nativists who are socially conservative and opposed to immigration, and may feel culturally threatened. Trump’s hard-line immigration policy is meant for them, and they’ll probably stick with him no matter what. The disengaged, a small portion of Trump voters, aren’t very knowledgeable about politics, but they do tend to feel powerless and left behind in the modern economy. Trump’s vilification of immigrants and Muslims may appeal to them and earn their loyalty. Free marketeers and anti-elites are more moderate. They tend to be traditional Republicans who may have voted for Trump simply out of party loyalty. They support free trade and a light government touch on the economy, which is at odds with Trump’s interventionist trade policy. Some of these people already regret voting for Trump, and he could lose more if his protectionist trade policy backfires or the economy weakens. Since these two groups represent about 45% of Trump voters, his approval rating could fall into the mid or low 30s if the economy begins to struggle, which would weaken Trump’s political power and his leverage over fellow Republicans in Congress. This is his biggest vulnerability. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-supporters-never-waver-185256151.html More Pretty much, as long as he keeps the mouth breathers riled up about dem dur Muslims and Mexicans, I have a hard time seeing how there won't be 6 more years of this. Edited July 27, 2018 by Swingandalongonetoleft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 12 hours ago, Balta1701 said: Someone should congratulate him on his upcoming 5 year honeymoon (less with good behavior) The problem is you have a he said/he said situation and both are deplorable human beings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Jenksismyhero said: The problem is you have a he said/he said situation and both are deplorable human beings. Yup. I despise Trump, but this alone is not the bombshell it's being billed as, if there is no corroborating evidence. And they are both pretty awful, and untrustworthy, so it may not be true anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Tony said: Correct. No tape....no trouble. Suipposedly there were others in the room. You would have to think it is true, but proving it may not be so easy if everyone else lies. But think about it, it would make no sense for Cohen to lie to Mueller. It would only make his situation worse. There were calls to what could be Trump's phone from Jr. at times where you would have to figure he was filling him in on the meeting. It's just like everything else with Trump. They want you to believe he had no knowledge of anything in the least bit slimy, but was in total control of everything else. America was dumb to begin with. This administration has made it even dumber. Edited July 27, 2018 by Dick Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Dick Allen said: Suipposedly there were others in the room. You would have to think it is true, but proving it may not be so easy if everyone else lies. But think about it, it would make no sense for Cohen to lie to Mueller. It would only make his situation worse. There were calls to what could be Trump's phone from Jr. at times where you would have to figure he was filling him in on the meeting. Sure it would. Presumably he's getting a deal of immunity so he has every incentive to give Mueller all that he can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Jenksismyhero said: Sure it would. Presumably he's getting a deal of immunity so he has every incentive to give Mueller all that he can. No he is not. He's looking for immunity or some sort of sentence relief. . He is going to Mueller, not the other way around. And if his story is contradicted by everyone he says knows the truth, he looks like he lied, and is in more trouble. I understand he is trying to get out of a lot of trouble. But giving prosecutors info that is untrue or can't be proved does him no good either. There is no indication yet Mueller even wants or needs him. Maybe he's got the goods without him. There is absolutely no way Trump is clean on all of this. Nobody dumb enough to believe he is. Edited July 27, 2018 by Dick Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 Cohen's lawyer said last night that they did not release this information, and he believes that the Trump team did. I'm sure Mueller would be looking for corroboration and not just "well Cohen said so that's good enough." He's aware of Cohen's public credibility. Those phone records that the GOP refuses to subpoena may shed some light. The timing of Trump's public statements can, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 Jared Kushner was a life long Democrat before working with Trump, and was Partners with Soros, In 2014, Kushner, with his brother Joshua and Ryan Williams, co-founded Cadre (now RealCadre LLC), an online real-estate investment platform. His business partners included Goldman Sachs and billionaire George Soros, a top Democratic Party donor. In early 2015, Soros Fund Management financed the startup with a $250 million credit line. Kushner did not identify these business relationships in his January 2017 government financial-disclosure form. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jared_Kushner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G&T Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 On 7/27/2018 at 1:48 PM, StrangeSox said: Cohen's lawyer said last night that they did not release this information, and he believes that the Trump team did. I'm sure Mueller would be looking for corroboration and not just "well Cohen said so that's good enough." He's aware of Cohen's public credibility. Those phone records that the GOP refuses to subpoena may shed some light. The timing of Trump's public statements can, too. I strongly suspect Mueller has everything he needs from other sources. If he didn't, Cohen would have a deal already. In fact, Cohen isn't even being prosecuted by Mueller, but by federal prosecutors in NY. Cohen is launching a PR campaign to gain a sympathetic judge or jury when his day in court arrives. I don't think it's possible that Mueller doesn't have the phone records during the Trump Tower meeting. And Rick Gates and/or Pappadopolous were probably in or knew about any meeting with Russians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Nothing wrong or illegal about collusion, yet there was NO COLLUSION. But if there was............. This guy is like a 3rd grader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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