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**President Trump 2018 Thread**


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19 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

I legitimately think he has no idea that 50+% of the country despises the man.

On the plus side, the Internet is more upset about Crissy Teigen’s new bob hair style and how it makes her face look bigger and how she hasn’t lost as much weight after her 2nd baby.

In all seriousness, Trump personally has 35% that are rock solid and unmovable, roughly 45-50% that are solidly opposed and 15-20% STILL on the fence (or not yet won over by any Democratic candidates on a national level.)  That’s the only thing that makes sense, reading that recent poll arguing the GOP has peaked in popularity again at 45%, going back all the way to early 2011 and the Tea Party/anti-ACA election.

You also have almost 1/3rd of Americans believing the middle class will eventually entirely disappear in America.

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3 hours ago, GoSox05 said:

It's funny how taken a back by the laughter Trump was.  He seemed surprised. 

You can tell when someone is saying something that they know is over the top and just trying to get a rise.  He does that a lot, but this wasn't the case.  He meant what he said and thought everyone would stand and clap. 

 

He is now saying the line was meant for laughs.who knew besides being the greatest, smartest,bestest person ever, he also was the funniest.

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14 hours ago, Dick Allen said:

He is now saying the line was meant for laughs.who knew besides being the greatest, smartest,bestest person ever, he also was the funniest.

Folks, I've landed more jokes than just about any other president.  Lincoln, not funny.  Not good.

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20 hours ago, Quinarvy said:

Trump is a fraud as a businessman.

Shocked. Shocked I tell you.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-wealth-fred-trump.html

This was an amazing read.  To put this into perspective.  This is Enron in two directions.  Instead of just asset inflation like Enron, they would inflate and deflate the same assets in short periods of time based on who they were interacting with.  To me it isn't that Fred Trump gave Donald more money than he said, it is that they basically engaged in a RICO conspiracy to move those assets around defraud everyone in the process.

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7 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:

This was an amazing read.  To put this into perspective.  This is Enron in two directions.  Instead of just asset inflation like Enron, they would inflate and deflate the same assets in short periods of time based on who they were interacting with.  To me it isn't that Fred Trump gave Donald more money than he said, it is that they basically engaged in a RICO conspiracy to move those assets around defraud everyone in the process.

You're surprised? The wealthy do this all the time in an attempt to evade taxes, and it typically works. And with all the frothing at the mouth idiotic "taxation is theft" Libertarians the Koch brothers have spent millions (billions?) cultivating in society, the public appetite for scrutinizing and going after these billionaires and their tax dodge strategies isn't very high. Couple that with the Republicans slowly but surely defunding the IRS (despite the IRS currently providing the government with a 700+% ROI on its budget), and it's no wonder the billionaires can get away with flat out subscribing to false tax returns (a federal crime). If the IRS sees a team of lawyers come into an audit, they're likely to just settle the case or maybe even drop it, which is why the IRS is very quick to predate on the average citizen, even on issues where it's clear the error is on their part, and very slow to bring the Waltons, Kochs, and Trumps of the world to justice for their tax crimes.

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27 minutes ago, Dam8610 said:

You're surprised? The wealthy do this all the time in an attempt to evade taxes, and it typically works. And with all the frothing at the mouth idiotic "taxation is theft" Libertarians the Koch brothers have spent millions (billions?) cultivating in society, the public appetite for scrutinizing and going after these billionaires and their tax dodge strategies isn't very high. Couple that with the Republicans slowly but surely defunding the IRS (despite the IRS currently providing the government with a 700+% ROI on its budget), and it's no wonder the billionaires can get away with flat out subscribing to false tax returns (a federal crime). If the IRS sees a team of lawyers come into an audit, they're likely to just settle the case or maybe even drop it, which is why the IRS is very quick to predate on the average citizen, even on issues where it's clear the error is on their part, and very slow to bring the Waltons, Kochs, and Trumps of the world to justice for their tax crimes.

I think it's less shock and more appreciative of the absolute obliteration the NYT did of Trump.

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20 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:

This was an amazing read.  To put this into perspective.  This is Enron in two directions.  Instead of just asset inflation like Enron, they would inflate and deflate the same assets in short periods of time based on who they were interacting with.  To me it isn't that Fred Trump gave Donald more money than he said, it is that they basically engaged in a RICO conspiracy to move those assets around defraud everyone in the process.

The IRS is intentionally chronically underfunded to the point that recent estimates show that the US government will lose about $140B over the next decade to tax "avoidance" (read: fraud).

Putting more money into the IRS would more than pay for itself.

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14 hours ago, Quinarvy said:

I think it's less shock and more appreciative of the absolute obliteration the NYT did of Trump.

This.

And lets face reality.  The NYT in this article had access to a ton more information than the IRS did.  They did an incredible job of accumulating tons of unrelated information, filings and documents.  A decent amount of these filings and public records didn't even exist when the IRS was doing their audit on this stuff.  They are also operating in a blackhole of information to where unless someone brings the information to them, they likely didn't know it was out there.  Now that some of these agencies know what IS out there, they are going to be all over this, where the statute of limitations hasn't expired.

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On 10/3/2018 at 11:18 AM, Dick Allen said:

One thing you will never hear from him, no matter how wrong he is, is an apology. He is really a sick man.

His base absolutely loves that about him. We're transforming into an authoritarian fascist society in front of our eyes. What are we going to do to stop it?

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/the-cruelty-is-the-point/572104/

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2 hours ago, whitesoxfan99 said:

I love that Trump isn't even denying the New York Times' report. 

He can't.  Reading that critically, it would be nearly impossible to deny the core of the reporting.  There really was next to zero opinion in there, it was all factual, so unless someone set them up with bad data, it is all true.

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9 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

Whatever happened to the WH search for the leaker of a few weeks back? They were getting really close.  Figured they have him or her by now.

Honestly this Kavanaugh thing is exactly what the GOP wanted.  It distracts the Democrats from Russia, and it is red meat to the base.  They LOVE this.

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19 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:

Honestly this Kavanaugh thing is exactly what the GOP wanted.  It distracts the Democrats from Russia, and it is red meat to the base.  They LOVE this.

The implications of Kavanaugh are hugely important, among other things to the institutional authority of the supreme court. Focusing on it isn't a distraction. It may very well help GOP electorally and fire up their base. I, obviously, want to see a democratic senate and house this fall. After the last decade, I disagree with notion of ceding the floor to heated fights like this helps democrats. When they have saw a fight motivate republicans, they have tried to mute it instead of following through at the expense of how their own voters saw the situation. And it leaves institutional power vulnerable to 2016 like primaries (and it should).

What is the point of voting that group into power if they only fight for values when they are on favorable grounds?

In 2002, many democrats voted for the Iraq CR because they didn't want that electoral fight and wanted to focus on healthcare. It was motivating for gop base and not as favorable for them as healthcare. Some good it did them, the US and the world.

 

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