Dick Allen Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 Trump is so great he has full filled promises he didn't even promise. Mere mortals couldn't do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Feb 1, 2018 -> 05:26 PM) How would it not be both? The law requires Russia to be punished. Trump refuses to implement the punishment. To me, an entity that requires punishment constitutes an enemy, and refusing to implement the punishment constitutes aid or comfort given. Am I reading the USC section on treason incorrectly? ETA: Everyone knows Trump solicited foreign aid in the election. How many times did CNN air the "Russia, if you're listening" clip. If that's all that's needed for him to have done something illegal, why is he still in office? Treason has to be aiding someone we're at war with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 Looks like Robert Gates is getting ready to cut a plea deal. Brought a lawyer known for federal deals on recently, and just now his other there lawyers filled to be removed from the case. https://twitter.com/emptywheel/status/959191427090706435 The witch hunt snags it's third guilty plea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 QUOTE (Quin @ Feb 1, 2018 -> 04:44 PM) Treason has to be aiding someone we're at war with. The issue is the definition of the term "enemy", which makes declared war a requirement. Where is the criminal statute for dereliction of duty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 (edited) QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Feb 1, 2018 -> 05:05 PM) Looks like Robert Gates is getting ready to cut a plea deal. Brought a lawyer known for federal deals on recently, and just now his other there lawyers filled to be removed from the case. https://twitter.com/emptywheel/status/959191427090706435 The witch hunt snags it's third guilty plea. Rick Gates, Manafort’s PR firm....not the former SecDef When does the story leak about Wray threatening to resign his (Trump) appointment if the memo is released? White House worried FBI director could quit over Nunes memo release (In response to Kyle) https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/01/politics/whi...memo/index.html Wray has made clear he is frustrated that President Donald Trump picked him to lead the FBI after he fired FBI Director James Comey in May, yet his advice on the Nunes memo is being disregarded and cast as part of the purported partisan leadership of the FBI, according to a senior law enforcement official. Wray's stance is "raising hell," one source familiar with the matter said. Wray has not directly threatened to resign after clashing with Trump over the possible release of the memo, the source added, because that is not his style of dealing with conflict. The potential release of the memo penned by House Intelligence Chairman Rep. Devin Nunes has set up a standoff with Trump against both the FBI and Department of Justice. Although the President has signaled that he is inclined to release the memo, as part of an effort to undercut the special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation, senior officials inside the White House are trying to come up with a solution that satisfies both the President and law enforcement officials like Wray and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein. Good luck with that last part...the person you’re plotting to fire isn’t going to bail you out of hot water. Trump’s put himself in an untenable position where he now looks weak making an excuse for not releasing it. Edited February 1, 2018 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 It seems counterintuitive to me for Wray to resign. If he feels trump is wrong and what’s happening is wrong, why walk away? It would seem that trump would just put a guy in his place that could possibly give that loyalty oath that Trump wants so bad I dunno, maybe I’m looking at it wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 (edited) QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Feb 1, 2018 -> 06:07 PM) It seems counterintuitive to me for Wray to resign. If he feels trump is wrong and what's happening is wrong, why walk away? It would seem that trump would just put a guy in his place that could possibly give that loyalty oath that Trump wants so bad I dunno, maybe I'm looking at it wrong If you're the FBI, and pride yourself on being completely bi-partisan, remaining in your position after the entire intelligence community has come out against the memo being released shows that you basically are just going to be a pawn or figurehead. The ONLY way to get Trump's attention is to draw so much attention to yourself that it makes it impossible for him to fire you...where the political consequences to the administration of you leaving/being fired/quitting are greater than the perceived benefits that Trump thinks he's receiving (and, at this point, the key information is already out there, right?) from whatever he's plotting. If there's one thing we should have learned, Trump hates being crossed, BY ANYONE (asked for loyalty from Comey, "joked" with McCabe about who he voted for, asked Rosenstein if he was "on his team," etc.), and we can be pretty certain there would have been firings of Rosenstein, Mueller and now Wray, were there not cooler heads prevailing SOMEWHERE in his administration. In the case of Mueller, it was Don McGahn. Question for Rabbit: Do you think this process will be perceived as "fair" and "bipartisan" by the majority of Americans in the middle who aren't constantly following politics and care more about pocketbook issues than Beltway intrigue? And what reason would independent voters have for trusting the information? Historically, there has been consensus or near-consensus (and room for dissenting opinions, just like the Supreme Court) when actions like this are taken and documents are produced by a Congressional committee/investigation. Here, we have NO concurrence. We don't even have any information being shared with Republican colleagues in the Senate. Now, if this was the first trip to the rodeo, Nunes MIGHT get the benefit of the doubt, or even Paul Ryan, but not at this point. Edited February 2, 2018 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 (edited) "All should appreciate the FBI speaking up," Comey wrote Thursday evening. "I wish more of our leaders would. But take heart: American history shows that, in the long run, weasels and liars never hold the field, so long as good people stand up. Not a lot of schools or streets named for Joe McCarthy." James Comey Devin Nunes is acting like he's in a (Tom Clancy/LeCarre) spy thriller https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/01/politics/dev...ller/index.html The first twist in his topsy-turvy, parallel investigation came on the evening of March 21, the day before his now infamous news conference. Nunes was traveling in a car with staff when, after receiving a mystery phone call, he left the group and headed to the White House grounds. When he arrived, alone, a "source" presented him with the information he would relay to the public a day later. "The Congress has not been given this information, these documents, and that's the problem," Nunes told CNN, explaining his off site work. "This is executive branch." Who cleared Nunes into the complex? The New York Times later reported that a pair of administration officials, one with ties to the intelligence committee, were his contacts inside the wire. Nunes said then and maintained that he never set foot in the actual White House. (There are other buildings and secure locations on the grounds). What became apparent, though, over the subsequent days, was that Nunes had been employed, in a job he seemed to embrace, as a channel for distributing dubious conclusions about classified intelligence activities. It wouldn't be the last time. After giving his Capitol Hill news conference, Nunes on March 22 returned to the White House, this time to meet with Trump in person and share the details of what he had learned a day before. Trump, in turn, told reporters that he "very much appreciated the fact they found what they found" and that the details gave him a sense of vindication -- that his unsubstantiated tweets alleging an illegal wiretap by his predecessor had been, in some way, confirmed. But that was either a feint or some bigger misunderstanding. As Nunes himself told reporters outside the White House after his chat with Trump, charges that President Barack Obama had ordered surveillance of Trump Tower were bunk. "That never happened," he said. Edited February 2, 2018 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 QUOTE (raBBit @ Feb 1, 2018 -> 08:08 PM) This counter memo is hardly a story. If they want to release it I don't care. I'm not sure why I'm being held accountable for opinions I didn't make. Which candidate do you think took more foreign aid in the last election? If we would have tax returns released, the full structure of Kushner Real Estate financial dealings in Europe and Russia...Deutsche Bank...and any connections with The Trump Organization and Russia dating back to the financial crisis (money laundering with Russian oligarchs buying Trump properties for 2-3X their commonly-accepted market values/Haitian dictators), we'd actually know the answer to that one. Now you can argue CLINTON CASH and Uranium ONE and The Clinton Foundation all you want, but the fact remains we won't know anything about Trump's/Javanka's/Donald Jr's dealings with foreign entities until the Mueller Investigation wraps up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 QUOTE (raBBit @ Feb 1, 2018 -> 08:08 PM) Which candidate do you think took more foreign aid in the last election? The one who Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 QUOTE (Tony @ Feb 1, 2018 -> 08:39 PM) I agree. Which makes it really weird that Trump is taking his cues from.....Sean Hannity. Has Hannity seen the memo? If he has, that’s a whole new issue. But if he hasn’t...why is Trump taking his advice on a memo he hasn’t seen??? https://www.thedailybeast.com/sean-hannity-...f-course-he-has All we can go on is a select group of people leaking vague hints. This is what we’ve come to. Pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 QUOTE (Tony @ Feb 1, 2018 -> 10:34 PM) Yeah...I don’t care if you don’t follow Hannity. I don’t either. What I do follow is who allegedly has the President’s ear. According to this story, it’s a right-wing blow hard who may or may not have seen this memo. Either way, it’s incredibly troubling, and a pattern that Sean Hannity is giving “advice” to the President of the United States. Over 100 people have seen the memo and they are all trying to make it partisan. Just like the memo. We are pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Trump slams FBI and DOJ leadership, says they favor Democrats over Republicans. I remember Trump saying one reason he fired Comey was because he mistreated Hillary Clinton. This guy can't keep his lies straight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSox05 Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 I've been trying to ignore this memo talk, but when are they supposed to release it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 These tax cuts are making people rich: Lowe’s, Home Depot and Walmart are using roughly the same progressive bonus structure, which Walmart first announced earlier this month. Huge one time bonuses: Less than two years: $200 ($150 for Lowe’s workers) Two to four years: $250 ($200 for Lowe’s workers) Five to nine years: $300 10 to 14 years: $400 ($500 for Lowe’s workers) 15 to 19 years: $750 20+ years: $1,000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 QUOTE (Tony @ Feb 2, 2018 -> 09:06 AM) It’s all led by one man: - Trump this morning. Hmm......who appointed all of those DOJ and FBI leaders? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 (edited) QUOTE (Tony @ Feb 2, 2018 -> 09:06 AM) It’s all led by one man: - Trump this morning. Apparently he has been able to confirm the veracity of the memo. LOL. Let's get this straight. FBI, CIA, crooked. Russians, Nazis, many good people. Please keep playing the America card Donnie, and trash people who kneel during the National Anthem for your made up slight. Edited February 2, 2018 by Dick Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 You know he is going overboard when even Fox News admitted his boast about his SOTU address being the most watched in the history of the world was false. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Feb 2, 2018 -> 07:03 AM) These tax cuts are making people rich: Lowe’s, Home Depot and Walmart are using roughly the same progressive bonus structure, which Walmart first announced earlier this month. Huge one time bonuses: Less than two years: $200 ($150 for Lowe’s workers) Two to four years: $250 ($200 for Lowe’s workers) Five to nine years: $300 10 to 14 years: $400 ($500 for Lowe’s workers) 15 to 19 years: $750 20+ years: $1,000 How are they going to replace all of their employees who will likely retire after this windfall? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Memo being released with zero redactions. Fox news getting exclusive first details. They'll probably use this to fire rosenstein, jeopardizing Mueller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 (edited) QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Feb 2, 2018 -> 11:08 AM) Memo being released with zero redactions. Fox news getting exclusive first details. They'll probably use this to fire rosenstein, jeopardizing Mueller. State news usually gets first crack. Hannity has a week of new material. Edited February 2, 2018 by Dick Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 We live in a banana republic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 (edited) what a giant wet fart Daniel Dale @ddale8 Here is the memo. It is short. It says: 1) Applications for surveillance of Page made use of info from the Steele dossier 2) The initial application didn't disclose Steele had been hired through Dems 3) Steele is biased and bad and talked to the media Page has been on the FBI's radar for years going back to 2013. This was far more useful to the GOP as a way to level vague but unchallengable accusations against anyone and everyone rather than, as one Rep. put it, a middle school term paper written at 1 am the night before it's due. Edited February 2, 2018 by StrangeSox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Feb 2, 2018 -> 11:25 AM) what a giant wet fart Page has been on the FBI's radar for years going back to 2013. I can't believe US intelligence officials would want to surveil a suspected Russian spy!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 (edited) That they first leaked a few details of this to State Media Fox News tells you everything you need to know about the legitimacy of the allegations and the entire purpose of this exercise. The best part about the whole DEMOCRATIC-FUNDED DOSSIER!!! is that it started out with the conservative rag Washington Free Beacon in conjunction with the Cruz campaign. The memo very deliberately does not include the original funding sources. Edited February 2, 2018 by StrangeSox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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