Quin Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Soooo this proves the FBI was investigating both campaigns but only made Hillary's public. Contradicts itself with the Papadopoulos bit. And argues Carter Page was watched due to the Steelers Dossier, even though we knew it began in 2013. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 (edited) The most damaging allegation would appear to be that McCabe allegedly said that, without the information from Steele, a FISA warrant would not have been sought. I'm struggling to see exactly why the right wing media/social media world keeps hyping that as WORSE THAN WATERGATE. The whole investigation wasn't even really made public until after the election. Meanwhile, the FBI's investigation into the other candidate herself was a center point of the campaign for over a year, including a damaging and potentially election-changing statement from the FBI shortly before the election. e: Daniel Dale @ddale8 4m Imagine if Nunes just stood in the House and said, “I have evidence the FBI relied on the unconfirmed Steele dossier in applying for a warrant of a Trump adviser* - and I know Steele told someone he hated Trump.” It’d get like four minutes of coverage. But that’s all The Memo is. *after said adviser had left the campaign Edited February 2, 2018 by StrangeSox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 (edited) Trump’s more of an idiot than we thought underestimating the American peoples’ collective intelligence so badly. Teal when his approval rating spikes to 45% next week, lol. Fire Nunes, replace him with a bottle of Drano for so effectively eliminating the Swamp from DC politics. Award nominations for Fox News if they can continue to spin this for more than 72 hours over the weekend and not collectively bore everyone to death. On the plus side, Wray probably won’t resign due to this release as it looks so clownish....like a Reese Witherspoon mini-plot from the film Election. Edited February 2, 2018 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 QUOTE (raBBit @ Feb 1, 2018 -> 08:08 PM) This counter memo is hardly a story. If they want to release it I don’t care. I’m not sure why I’m being held accountable for opinions I didn’t make. The Republican party trying to silence transparency is the story. Im holding you accountable for claiming you are all about transparency etc, but not speaking out against anti-transparent partisan actions. Its fine if you want to be party over country, its fine if you want to be hypocritical to serve your parties interests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 So Trump makes this a Dem/Rep issue and he has the biggest problem with the guy he nominated for the office. Donald J. Trump ladies and gentlemen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSox05 Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 @pattymo 6m6 minutes ago Noted FISA warrant procedure experts @DeplorableBob1793526 and @TrumpsGirl46283729 have reviewed the memo and they agree that everyone who doesn’t 100% agree with Mr. Trump should be purged This memo is going to be the new Benghazi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 The stock market is falling due to Obama/Clinton/Democrats/FBI/Colin Kapaernick/MS-13. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 (edited) QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Feb 2, 2018 -> 12:21 PM) This memo is going to be the new Benghazi. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/01/opinion/...col-left-region Finally, the idea that investigators were out to fool a federal judge shows a profound ignorance of how the intelligence courts actually work, and of the degree of vetting that precedes every warrant application. As one former F.B.I. agent explained, a conspiracy to obtain a warrant based on bad information would have required the involvement of at least a dozen agents and prosecutors, a corrupt or incompetent federal judge and the director of the F.B.I. — all working in concert to undermine Donald Trump. .... It would be nice to treat Mr. Trump, Mr. Nunes and their cohort as the junior high school pranksters they resemble, but what they’re doing — cynically undermining the nation’s trust in law enforcement, fostering an environment of permanent suspicion and subterfuge — is far more dangerous. The question is whether there are any adults left in the G.O.P. The evidence so far is not encouraging, notwithstanding a sporadic furrowed brow in the Senate. At some level, one hopes, a sense of shame and responsibility to the republic will finally kick in. But that, too, is unlikely. Republicans from the top on down have made it clear, expressly or otherwise, that this is all about winning the political fight directly in front of them, the consequences — and the rest of America — be damned. Edited February 2, 2018 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 (edited) I just read the memo. So their b**** is that the govt didnt provide exculpatory evidence when asking for a warrant? UH can you imagine if when prosecutors ask for a warrant they had to tell the judge all the reasons why maybe the judge shouldnt issue the warrant? And even worse, isnt this what Cater's lawyer should be doing? Is the White House going to help out every criminal that is being prosecuted and make sure that judges/prosecutors had probable cause to issue warrants? I wonder when they will start the investigation into ICE and whether they told the judge all of the "good things" about the person before they got the warrant. (edit) As I said yesterday, this isnt going to end the way they think it is. Its not going to help them, these type of letters never help you case. Edited February 2, 2018 by Soxbadger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 The Deep State Democrats' plan to initiate an investigation of a former campaign aide a couple of weeks before the election and to tell no one about it doesn't seem like the best of plans. Of course, the whole point of a Deep State Propaganda Plot is lost if you KEEP IT A SECRET! Why didn't you tell the world, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Feb 2, 2018 -> 11:52 AM) The most damaging allegation would appear to be that McCabe allegedly said that, without the information from Steele, a FISA warrant would not have been sought. I'm struggling to see exactly why the right wing media/social media world keeps hyping that as WORSE THAN WATERGATE. The whole investigation wasn't even really made public until after the election. Meanwhile, the FBI's investigation into the other candidate herself was a center point of the campaign for over a year, including a damaging and potentially election-changing statement from the FBI shortly before the election. e: *after said adviser had left the campaign I will have a hearty lmao if this turns out to just be (another) straight up lie from Nunes https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/959499923346677762 Jim Sciutto @jimsciutto New: Two Democratic members of House Intel tell me McCabe did not say dossier was basis of FISA warrant, disputing central claim of #NunesMemo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Im honestly surprised that so many republicans wanted Clinton to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Feb 2, 2018 -> 01:09 PM) Im honestly surprised that so many republicans wanted Clinton to win. Trump is the greatest business man, great president, most popular person with the most viewers, biggest crowds of all time. Could you imagine how much greater he would be if the cards weren't so stacked against him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 QUOTE (raBBit @ Feb 2, 2018 -> 01:03 PM) Quote me where I said I didn't want it to be released. Didn't Ryan, you now, the speaker of the house majority, come out in support of releasing it? You're grasping at straws. You said "I dont care" if its released. But never said anything about how the Republican's are trying to silence transparency. If youre okay with that, its fine. Its not grasping at straws at all. This whole dog and pony show was nothing more than Republican's trying to prevent transparency. If youre okay with that, so be it. But the memo was nothing. It makes no sense. /shrugs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 NYT has an annotated copy of the memo up going over various claims. It points out the numerous ways in which Nunes' memo lies, is misleading, or leaves out important information. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/02...s&smtyp=cur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 If you think this memo was releasing info on corruption within the FBI I am not sure we're living in the same world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Kyle Cheney @kyledcheney MEMO UPDATE: SCHIFF tells reporters that only portions of the Steele Dossier -- the ones about Page -- were presented to the FISA Court. "Some of those things were already subject to corroboration." Kyle Cheney @kyledcheney 33m Schiff also says that the memo's contention that MCCABE said the warrant wouldn't have happened without the dossier was "cherrypicked" and that he was talking about how all elements of FISA applications are interconnected and important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illinilaw08 Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 QUOTE (raBBit @ Feb 2, 2018 -> 01:54 PM) I don't get how that response equates some sort of inconsistency. If you think the House Intel Committee releasing info on corruption within the FBI is "Republicans trying to silence transparency" I am not sure we're living in the same world. Here's the problem: 1) You have given this memo a degree of credibility from the start. Above, you give the memo credibility because you just flat out say that it's "releasing info on corruption within the FBI." 2) The vote to release the memo was strictly across party line. The Rs voted for the release, the Ds voted against. So the Democrats disagreed with the memo's credibility. 3) The Republicans then voted to deny Democrats the ability to release a memo with their position on Nunes' memo. So, you are all for releasing this memo in the name of transparency, but you can't be bothered to care about the release of information that diminishes the credibility of the memo from the other side of the aisle. For a guy who claims to be all about the facts, and independent thought, you don't seem to care about getting both sides of the story here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Soxbadger Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 QUOTE (raBBit @ Feb 2, 2018 -> 01:54 PM) I don't get how that response equates some sort of inconsistency. If you think the House Intel Committee releasing info on corruption within the FBI is "Republicans trying to silence transparency" I am not sure we're living in the same world. Did you read the memo? Because I missed the part where they said there was corruption. All it did was argue that in their opinion the basis wasnt good enough. The odd part about this is since when does the federal govt play the role of defense attorney? Do you think if it was a regular citizen the US govt would be playing the role of defense counsel? Do you think if it was a Democrat that they would be assisting in the defense? Just interesting that the House is now playing the role of defense attorney for private citizens. I hope they help other defendants try to beat warrants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Feb 2, 2018 -> 01:57 PM) If you think this memo was releasing info on corruption within the FBI I am not sure we're living in the same world Yeah, I dont understand that point either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 John McCain: “The latest attacks against the FBI and Department of Justice serve no American interests ― no party’s, no President’s, only Putin’s,” McCain added. “The American people deserve to know all the facts surrounding Russia’s ongoing efforts to subvert our democracy, which is why Special Counsel Mueller’s investigation must proceed unimpeded. Our nation’s elected officials, including the president, must stop looking at this investigation through the lens of politics and manufacturing political sideshows. If we continue to undermine our own rule of law, we are doing Putin’s job for him.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Feb 2, 2018 -> 02:57 PM) John McCain: “The latest attacks against the FBI and Department of Justice serve no American interests ― no party’s, no President’s, only Putin’s,” McCain added. “The American people deserve to know all the facts surrounding Russia’s ongoing efforts to subvert our democracy, which is why Special Counsel Mueller’s investigation must proceed unimpeded. Our nation’s elected officials, including the president, must stop looking at this investigation through the lens of politics and manufacturing political sideshows. If we continue to undermine our own rule of law, we are doing Putin’s job for him.” McCain's a corrupt Democrat, of course hed say this. Its reaching McCarthy levels at this point, if you dont blindly love Dear Leader Trump, youre a Democrat. Ironically, Trump was a Democrat, but I assume they will attempt to change history. I heard Hatch said Trump was the greatest Republican President of all time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Feb 2, 2018 -> 03:00 PM) McCain's a corrupt Democrat, of course hed say this. Its reaching McCarthy levels at this point, if you dont blindly love Dear Leader Trump, youre a Democrat. Ironically, Trump was a Democrat, but I assume they will attempt to change history. I heard Hatch said Trump was the greatest Republican President of all time. Hatch told him he could be the greatest president in history, obviously if he accomplished some things. Trump took it to be he was the greatest president in history with the most attended inauguration, and the most watched SOTU address. But Hatch could probably get whatever he wants now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Feb 2, 2018 -> 03:03 PM) Hatch told him he could be the greatest president in history, obviously if he accomplished some things. Trump took it to be he was the greatest president in history with the most attended inauguration, and the most watched SOTU address. But Hatch could probably get whatever he wants now. The Hatch comment was a little sarcastic as I knew the story, but felt that it was a funny line to use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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