**President Trump 2018 Thread**

[Dick Allen]

She was the head of DNC. There are posts on this forum with me responding to her being replaced by Perez. Stick to the issue instead of trying to turn it on me. There's a record of me knowing this. She was the head when it happened. She said it was rigged.z

 

It's interesting that you think you need to change votes to constitute something being rigged. I guess you'd agree that Russia stuff is garbage.

 

You say that they're misrepresenting facts and you provide nothing. Two posts no explanation. Just distractors.

 

 

Jimmy Dore runs a left-wing youtube show. Your parallel makes no sense. If he were Mark Dice it would make sense. He's a liberal attacking another liberal because that's what the facts lead him to do.

 

You are yet to post something they misrepresented.

Joe Scarborough is a conservative who hates Trump. Bill Maher is a comedian who in the general election , like Rogan, endorsed an opponent of whom they would be discussing. It is about the same thing.

 

The Seth Rich conspiracy has been debunked. Joe Rogan should stick to shows about people eating spiders.

Edited February 15, 2018 by Dick Allen

[Dick Allen]

Scarborough stopped being a conservative a long time ago. Maher is a liberal. He says so. I don't know what the point of you bringing up other people is. What did Rogan and/or Dore say that wasn't true? Back yourself up.

I gave you a couple of links. i will use one of your tactics and tell you I am going to a play with my wife so I don't have time for his nonsense, and will get back to Trump when I return. The Seth Rich conspiracy has been debunked. I really don't know why you and your party keep going back to Hillary and Barrack. Probably because you don't want to have to think about your guy now in the White House. I look forward to what the porn star has to say about him. And not only is she a porn star, she pole dances. Mike Pence might melt when he hears the details.

Edited February 15, 2018 by Dick Allen

[Soxbadger]

You provide no support whatsover. Shocking.

 

I wonder why neither you or SB can't provide any support? Just throw out claims and slander and change the subject when called on it.

 

At this point your just flat out lying. You constantly misconstrue my statements to fit your narrative. You keep asking me to "What specifically did they present as fact that was untrue."

 

I never said "untrue". I said "Fun 10 minutes of conspiracy theories presented as facts though." There is a huge difference. I then responded specifically by saying that the whole "primary rigging" was opinion. They also went into a whole discussion about Hillary and brain trauma, with Rogan saying that he "knows brain trauma." Again this opinion, to the best of my knowledge neither of them are doctors, nor did they treat Hillary. All of that was responsive, none of what I said could even come close to being construed as "slander", and that is giving you the benefit of the doubt, because what you really meant was "libel", as slander is spoken. Just so you know, opinion is never defamation. And as both of those people would likely be considered public figures, youd have to show actual malice to prove libel.

 

But again this is just another tactic by you to distract and obscure. You still have yet to answer why you posted this in this thread. The most simple question. You keep bringing up what Brazile said, but then when a quote by her contradicts, you dont even respond. You instead quote a huge article that doesnt support that Brazille said it was rigged. The article you posted showed how Clinton's campaign was more clever than Sanders. That she negotiated a deal with the DNC and Sanders did not. Brazille even comments about how Bernie's people didnt seem to care about the document.

 

If football team a creates a formation that is legal and then runs it against team b, does that mean the refs "rigged" the game? Was not team b also capable of reading the rules?

 

So why not be honest? I dont even know what your angle is at this point. You come running into an unrelated thread and post conspiracy theories. Why? Really, that is actually all I was curious to. Why are you posting this in the Trump thread? You could have started a "Seth Rich" thread, where you could write about the conspiracy all day and night. And if youre in a giving mood, answer why you cant have a genuine discussion. Why do you have to constantly misrepresent people and their opinions?

 

I have my own theories, but Id just be interested for you one time to have a genuine discussion. Maybe it will never happen, but that is my hope for you. Because while I may disagree with you on many things, I do really believe that you could make quality arguments and posts, that could possibly make people think and respect your position.

Edited February 15, 2018 by Soxbadger

[StrangeSox]

BREAKING: More than 130 political appointees working in white house didn't have permanent security clearances as of November 2017, including Ivanka Trump, Jared Kushner and Don McGahn, according to internal documents obtained by NBC News

[caulfield12]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix...omepage%2Fstory

 

Trump’s recent economic plans could hurt the White working class voters that backed him

[Dick Allen]

Trump's budget director , Mulvaney, said if he were still in Congress he would vote against this budget. WTF. He also said Trump's military parade would cost $30 million. Can't afford giving the poor food stamps, need to send them a fruit basket and tell them to make it last. We have other things to spend money on, like making the rich richer, and showing the world all of the toys Trump gets to play with.

[RockRaines]

Why are we destroying this thread with Seth Rich conspiracy talk?

 

That will be the topic of my podcast later, in which I conclude it is a conspiracy by people to bury bad news about Trump.

As soon as someone types Seth Rich their post should be deleted and they should get a cooling off period.

[StrangeSox]

Trump's budget director , Mulvaney, said if he were still in Congress he would vote against this budget. WTF.

 

On the surface it's a bit of a mixed message from a chaotic White House, but really I don't think there's anything wrong with someone saying they'd act one way if they were still in Congress and they act another way in a different role within the Executive Branch. They're different jobs with different motivations. He's working for Trump, and he's in charge of assembling a budget as directed by Trump and influenced by others in the administration, not his own personal wish list.

 

That he'd vote against what's a pretty hard right Tea Party budget with deep cuts to all discretionary spending says where his ideology lays, though.

[Dick Allen]

I guess we now know where that woman's extra $1.50 a week will go.

 

 

President Donald Trump suggested Wednesday that a 25 cent increase in gas and diesel taxes would be needed to help pay for the administration's new infrastructure plan, according to Democratic Sen. Tom Carper.

[caulfield12]

I guess we now know where that woman's extra $1.50 a week will go.

 

 

President Donald Trump suggested Wednesday that a 25 cent increase in gas and diesel taxes would be needed to help pay for the administration's new infrastructure plan, according to Democratic Sen. Tom Carper.

 

 

Elaine Chao told reporters at the White House when asked if the president would agree to a 25-cent-a-gallon increase proposed by the Chamber of Commerce. She added that the gasoline tax has a "very regressive effect" on low-income Americans and called on Congress to look for better solutions to pay for the Highway Trust Fund.

 

Chamber of Commerce President Tom Donohue called for an increase of 5 cents per gallon every year over five years in a USA Today op-ed last week. "The modest hike we're proposing would cost the average American only about $9 a month in additional gas taxes. That figure, however, is dwarfed by the cost of inaction," he said. (there goes the $1.50 per week Ryan “created”)

 

The tax is currently 18.4 cents for gasoline and 24.4 cents for diesel and goes into the trust fund. The tax has not been raised in 25 years, the last time being during former President Bill Clinton's first year and only after a contentious congressional battle that had Vice President Al Gore casting the deciding vote.

washingtonexaminer.com

 

 

Notice it’s Mitch McConnell’s wife who sounds like a Dem.

Edited February 15, 2018 by caulfield12

[GoSox05]

Feel bad for his family that they have to consistently put up with this s***. Much like the families of Sandy Hook and the people that own Comet Ping Pong.

[Dick Allen]

Yeah people who don't just forget unsolved murders in the middle of a political scandal are crazy.

What does Seth Rich have to do with Donald Trump?

[RockRaines]

Feel bad for his family that they have to consistently put up with this s***. Much like the families of Sandy Hook and the people that own Comet Ping Pong.

Its pathetic.

[StrangeSox]

White House says Trump will veto bipartisan immigration deal

[Dick Allen]

Priebus is writing a book. He has a passage about Trump's inauguration crowd, and Donald thought many people were at the gates trying to get in, but it wasn't being reported.

 

Also, Kellyanne's line to calm him down when he gets upset about what he thinks is a slight, "you're big, this is small". I wonder if she has a license for daycare.

Edited February 15, 2018 by Dick Allen

[Soxbadger]

A democratic IT Director being murdered in the middle of the night with no explanation, no suspects and gag order is much like the the parents who lost their kids in a tragedy and the "people" (there's one person) that own Comet Ping Pong? What are you talking about? And why are you comparing parents who lost their children to one of the most powerful people in DC who is alleged of sexual assault?

 

 

It's pathetic that people completely ignore facts when it doesn't suit their agent. Just eat up whatever the corporate media tells them.

 

The problem is that you keep saying its pathetic when people ignore facts, when you are the one doing it.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2017/05/24/us/seth-rich...ries/index.html

 

 

The police have provided an explanation for his murder, robbery gone bad. You just dont accept this explanation. You dont accept the facts that Rich was in an area where there had recently been armed robberies, that there was evidence of an attempted robbery and that likely the robbers got spooked when they saw/heard the police car that was in the area and that Seth Rich made no statements after the police found him to suggest that it was anything but an armed robbery gone bad.

 

"We also know that there were signs of a struggle, including a watchband torn when the assailants attempted to rip it off his wrist," the parents said.

 

Notice how the bold completely contradicts what all the conspiracy theorists want you to believe. "Why didnt they take his stuff?" Well according to the evidence, they attempted to, but did not get away with any of it.

 

The reality is that there never may be a conclusion to this case. But all of the evidence supports the theory that it was a robbery gone bad.

 

Is there anyway a moderator can move all of these Seth Rich posts to a new thread for the conspiracy, that way we dont detract from a thread that has nothing to do with it.

Edited February 15, 2018 by Soxbadger

[StrangeSox]

And as with all conspiracies, holes or lack of evidence or inconsistencies in whatever the official explanation is aren't proof or evidence for whatever cooked up alternative explanations are thrown about.

[GoSox05]

A democratic IT Director being murdered in the middle of the night with no explanation, no suspects and gag order is much like the the parents who lost their kids in a tragedy and the "people" (there's one person) that own Comet Ping Pong? What are you talking about? And why are you comparing parents who lost their children to one of the most powerful people in DC who is alleged of sexual assault?

 

 

It's pathetic that people completely ignore facts when it doesn't suit their agent. Just eat up whatever the corporate media tells them.

 

 

They are all alike in that insane online conspiracy theories have invaded their lives.

 

 

You said the owner of Comet Ping Pong is accused of sexual assault. Are you a pizza gater!?

[Soxbadger]

You and Dick haven't addressed any of the particulars. I am saying it isn't a random incidence that's it. You guys are just naming other things and saying conspiracy a bunch to shut down discussion. Then you usually ramble off topic for a while.

 

All your link says is police say "looked like" a robbery. That's it. You're naive for taking CNN's word for it.

 

Keep doing the "move the thread" thing to shut down discussion you can't handle. I am a mod and have talked about shutting this thread down so it wouldn't become a catch all and it was decided to keep the thread open despite it being a catch all. I am waiting for you to police SS and caulfield on posting irrelevant stuff. I am sure you'll get around to it eventually.

 

 

He's a creep. Look him up. He's been accused of sexual assault and you're comparing him to victims. Keep defending the assaulter.

 

 

How am I off topic? I have stayed completely on topic the entire time. What part of my last post was not on topic? Seriously, instead of just lying your way through posts try and be responsive.

 

Here is the truth, when the evidence doesnt suit you, you hand waive it. What I posted wasnt quoting CNN, it was quoting Seth Rich's mother. If you dont believe his mother, that is fine. But Im pretty sure she has had access to better information than you, I or any of those conspiracy theorists who you are so hellbent on believing. Instead of thinking for yourself, you just parrot over and over again. You barely research, you barely link, you barely cite, you just post opinion after opinion, and then make up nonsense about other posters when you dont have anything to say.

 

Show any evidence that what Seth's mother said is a lie. You want to say "im naive" for believing his mother, show me something to suggest his mother is a liar. Or maybe shes part of this conspiracy too?

 

Here is a statement from his family (im sure youll call me naive for believing them but hey, I guess I should believe Joe Rogan)

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/wer...m=.db256ffae461

 

[We also know that there were signs of a struggle, including a watchband torn when the assailants attempted to rip it off his wrist. Law-enforcement officials told us that Seth’s murder looked like a botched robbery attempt in which the assailants — after shooting our son — panicked, immediately ran and abandoned Seth’s personal belongings. We have seen no evidence, by any person at any time, that Seth’s murder had any connection to his job at the Democratic National Committee or his life in politics. Anyone who claims to have such evidence is either concealing it from us or lying.

 

So now please, write another post how Ive "changed the subject", "im not responding", or whatever other nonsense you want to say. People know your shtick by now, so Im just going to hang up and Ill let you try and find 1 piece of reliable evidence that contradicts what Seth Rich's family said. Because at this point you are either saying 1) they are liars or 2) they were part of the conspiracy. And I really dont think many people will find it believable that Seth Rich's parents would lie to protect the DNC or Hillary Clinton.

 

/shrug

Edited February 15, 2018 by Soxbadger

[StrangeSox]

Another of Trump's highly qualified judicial nominees

 

One Of Trump’s Judicial Nominees Once Wrote That Diversity Is “Code For Relaxed Standards”

 

On March 25, 2014, Giampietro wrote on the website the Catholic Thing that, “calls for diversity” are “code for relaxed standards (moral and intellectual).”

 

In a July 24, 2015, radio interview, a month after the Supreme Court recognized a nationwide right to same-sex marriage in Obergefell v. Hodges, Giampietro said it was “irrefutable” that children are best raised by a heterosexual couple, and appeared to refer to same-sex relationships as “troubled.”

 

“No one would disagree with the fact that children, all the social science research shows this, are best raised by a man and a woman. This is natural, this is the truth, and it’s irrefutable. And so I think it has to be articulated in a way which isn’t dismissive of those troubled relationships, but it is reaffirming of the truth of marriage,” he said.

 

The court’s decision in Obergefell, Giampietro said, was “worse” than the court’s decision legalizing abortion in Roe v. Wade “because of the damage it does to civil society.” He characterized it as “an assault on the conscience rights of all Americans.”

 

He also called the birth control pill an “assault on nature,” and blamed it for other problems in society.

 

“When ever you go against god’s plan, bad things are gonna happen,” he said.

 

 

 

 

[GoSox05]

You and Dick haven't addressed any of the particulars. I am saying it isn't a random incidence that's it. You guys are just naming other things and saying conspiracy a bunch to shut down discussion. Then you usually ramble off topic for a while.

 

All your link says is police say "looked like" a robbery. That's it. You're naive for taking CNN's word for it.

 

Keep doing the "move the thread" thing to shut down discussion you can't handle. I am a mod and have talked about shutting this thread down so it wouldn't become a catch all and it was decided to keep the thread open despite it being a catch all. I am waiting for you to police SS and caulfield on posting irrelevant stuff. I am sure you'll get around to it eventually.

 

 

He's a creep. Look him up. He's been accused of sexual assault and you're comparing him to victims. Keep defending the assaulter.

 

 

I just tried to look him up and the only stuff that pops up is the pizza gate stuff.

[StrangeSox]

And it looks like none of the DACA bills are going to get 60 votes in the Senate, so RIP Dreamers, good luck going to ground before the ICE raids

[StrangeSox]

The nativist Trump proposal to drastically cut legal immigration took the biggest defeat, going down 39-60.

[RockRaines]

I just tried to look him up and the only stuff that pops up is the pizza gate stuff.

You arent searching the dark web

[Soxbadger]

I just tried to look him up and the only stuff that pops up is the pizza gate stuff.

 

 

https://steemit.com/pizzagate/@abortionburg...james-alefantis

 

I think this is what was being referred to.